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Check this fur folks #6683767
12/05/19 08:20 AM
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A fellow discussed this with me he shot it yesterday. I see no guard hairs and patches of long hair missing on the flanks. We're it spring I'd say maybe rubbing but for this time of the year it sure looks like the onset of mange. Am I wrong? [Linked Image]
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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6683792
12/05/19 08:45 AM
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I dont think thats mange. I suspect the same worms that make your dog scootch his butt on the ground.


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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6683874
12/05/19 10:04 AM
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to me its hard to tell if hes really rubbed out that hard or if hes matted down with feces or mud or whatever. doesnt look like mange to me though, ususally his whole belly would go pink before he started loosing hair to mange

Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6683929
12/05/19 10:57 AM
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I caught this one in December a couple years ago and don't think it had a guard hair one.
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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6683935
12/05/19 11:02 AM
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The top one would grade wooly.
It looks kind of rough with the bad spots on it.

Last edited by Boco; 12/05/19 11:03 AM.

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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6683941
12/05/19 11:06 AM
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Thanks guys. When shooting and I kill one like this I clip what I need to get paid but take the carcass nowhere.
Good to know.

Osky


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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684019
12/05/19 01:00 PM
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I would call it a rubbed coyote. Coyotes can be rubbed anytime of the year. Rubbing is a result of fleas or from anything else that may be causing the irritation.

I agree, it wouldn't of been brought home with me.

Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684204
12/05/19 05:37 PM
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Genetics is my guess I get one every couple years seem healthy with the exception of no guard hair

Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684388
12/05/19 08:53 PM
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I think almost all Eastern coyotes have at least some domestic dog genetics and it can make their fur strange.

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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684391
12/05/19 08:58 PM
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I see mange on the base of the tail. Not the reason no guard hair though. Could be Sampson of sorts.

Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684534
12/05/19 10:32 PM
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he good thing is that's it's genetics is out of the pool...

That's what you call...Dead Prime. and a nothing Butt.

Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684556
12/05/19 10:41 PM
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Osky...more fur on that one than every coyote in this county down here combined lol


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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Savell] #6684561
12/05/19 10:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Savell
Osky...more fur on that one than every coyote in this county down here combined lol



That's not very encouraging for you folks. Shot on a big spread out by eagle pass some years ago and I thought those were pretty decent.

Osky


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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684566
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This coyote came fron Washington state, the guy says they've shot others like it this time of year.

Osky


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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: yukonjeff] #6684570
12/05/19 10:51 PM
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Originally Posted by yukonjeff
I see mange on the base of the tail. Not the reason no guard hair though. Could be Sampson of sorts.


I,noticed the tail also but held comment because I can't see enough of the base to really say.

Osky


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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684583
12/05/19 10:59 PM
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Impossible to grade a coyote from a pic. Bad enough trying to grade one on the carcass, They always look different when put up! Did you see the yote, Osky?


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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: squacks] #6684749
12/06/19 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by squacks
I caught this one in December a couple years ago and don't think it had a guard hair one.
[Linked Image]

This looks like a classic example of a "samson" coyote. I've seen a few samson fox, but never seen a samson coyote. It's a genetic trait that results in no guard hair. A hunter of mine shot a samson brown bear a few falls ago. It wasn't a rubbed bear, it was shot in the fall season and didn't have a guard hair on it, just soft underfur.


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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684781
12/06/19 06:43 AM
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Mange. This one was same way and i tossed it. No mane, no long guard hair, just thick under fur only.
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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684791
12/06/19 07:06 AM
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Re: Check this fur folks [Re: Osky] #6684867
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Worms, bugs or start of mange


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