Re: Nuclear EMP
[Re: Mike in A-town]
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We've covered a few "What Ifs" here. How about another one. What if an EMP was successfully detonated over the US by a country intent on taking over. The only military we would have would be that which was deployed in other places or on Naval carriers. Other than that, ground soldiers would be our only means of defense on the home front. I do however believe that if there was a successful EMP it might well be an act of domestic terrorism. I would then hope humanity would prevail and other nations would come to our aid. And to be truthful, I really don't believe any of this will happen! It's just kind of interesting to speculate on the event it MIGHT. I would lay money that most military installations are hardened, at least in part, for this scenario... And since EMP is a byproduct of nuclear detonation I would guarantee that our missile solos are protected... Along with our ballistic missile submarines. A country might manage to cripple the US electrical grid but I doubt they would live long enough to celebrate or invade us. Mike Mike - I firmly disagree. 9/11 showed us clearly what a few individuals could do. We were invaded and our guard is down again......God gave our country a warning, our wall was breached and He will allow an invasion of our country while we continue on our prideful path of sin.
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Re: Nuclear EMP
[Re: foxhunter52]
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12/05/19 12:43 PM
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When I was still an active member of our all volunteer fire dept, one of our members who worked in the control room in the New Haven Power Plant made it sound like all one had to do was arc the feeder lines, which could be done with a crossbow and some heavy gauge copper wire attached to the trailing side of the arrow. a] I doubt you could successfully fire such a rig without being tangled, and b] I question the validity of that statement because I feel the wire being used to arc the feeders would just burn off.
However, after he made that statement, we were blessed with a massive power failure in the north east, this was I think during the summer of 2003, maybe 2004 ?? which somehow got attributed to the trees of the Mohawk Valley, which is another statement I find hard to believe - but it did make me reconsider the crossbow statement.....
Regarding my previous comment, I did as a tech on the Blackhawk Assembly line, he felt that the aircraft are shielded from an electrical standpoint from EMP radiation, but not the crews.
VH aircraft on the other hand are fully shielded - which one would expect.
I'll poke into that further when I cross paths with some of my old pals in Flt Ops....
Yeah, either way - EMP would be real bad for those who depend on modern technology........... But for those who modern society views as backwards, my money is on that they would be just fine, since their way of living tends to be more survival based to begin with,
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Re: Nuclear EMP
[Re: Big George W]
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12/05/19 01:45 PM
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When I was still an active member of our all volunteer fire dept, one of our members who worked in the control room in the New Haven Power Plant made it sound like all one had to do was arc the feeder lines, which could be done with a crossbow and some heavy gauge copper wire attached to the trailing side of the arrow. a] I doubt you could successfully fire such a rig without being tangled, and b] I question the validity of that statement because I feel the wire being used to arc the feeders would just burn off.
The wire does not even have to be that thick. Once you have an arc, the very air is ionized, thats what the ark is and ionized air conducts electricity just fine. Its the basis of electric welding. So all you need is a thin wire to initiate said ark and the rest will happen without any outside materials being needed. Disclaimer. Don't try this at home. Those transformers are oil filled for insulation and cooling a couple of rounds of .50 BMG AP ...one in the top and one at the bottom would get them to fail real quick.
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Let's go Brandon
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Re: Nuclear EMP
[Re: Boco]
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12/05/19 03:00 PM
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There will be plenty of those preppers ripe for the picking. And a lot of people getting real sad real quick when they think that.
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Re: Nuclear EMP
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I seen them preppers on utube,lol. I stand by my statement that most will be ripe for the pickin'.(not by me though).
Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Nuclear EMP
[Re: foxhunter52]
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So that brings up another interesting question. If you've got food resources and guns to protect it, do you shoot or do you share? That I can answer with a definite " that depends" .
Let's go Brandon
"Shall not comply" with morons who don't understand "shall not infringe."
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Re: Nuclear EMP
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By the time you figure out the depends part it will likely be all over. Trying to hold out alone would be a miserable existance and only a matter of a short time before you were gone. Only way to survive would be as part of a "tribe" or tight knit community sharing skills and defense and work.
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Re: Nuclear EMP
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12/05/19 05:56 PM
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Well BOCO it is always refreshing having these insightful and educational comments from experts like yourself. Nice to know there is a role model for every one of us out there.
Let's go Brandon
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Re: Nuclear EMP
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Well BOCO it is always refreshing having these insightful and educational comments from experts like yourself. Nice to know there is a role model for every one of us out there. Hahahahaaaa
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Re: Nuclear EMP
[Re: Scuba1]
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You can keep your snarky remarks to yourself mr expert.
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Re: Nuclear EMP
[Re: Scuba1]
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When I was still an active member of our all volunteer fire dept, one of our members who worked in the control room in the New Haven Power Plant made it sound like all one had to do was arc the feeder lines, which could be done with a crossbow and some heavy gauge copper wire attached to the trailing side of the arrow. a] I doubt you could successfully fire such a rig without being tangled, and b] I question the validity of that statement because I feel the wire being used to arc the feeders would just burn off.
The wire does not even have to be that thick. Once you have an arc, the very air is ionized, thats what the ark is and ionized air conducts electricity just fine. Its the basis of electric welding. So all you need is a thin wire to initiate said ark and the rest will happen without any outside materials being needed. Disclaimer. Don't try this at home. Those transformers are oil filled for insulation and cooling a couple of rounds of .50 BMG AP ...one in the top and one at the bottom would get them to fail real quick. Nah, it happens all the time in thunderstorms... A tree branch will lay across a couple of phases and and it automatically trips and shuts down. Then the little timer in the recloser waits X number of seconds and then closes the circuit again... It will do that for a preset number of times before it gives up and leaves the circuit open. 2 or 3 times is usually enough to burn a tree branch in half and clear the fault. Copper has virtually no resistance so it will burn quick. It's like a self cleaning oven. You would need something that can handle several hits of a bajillion amps of fault current. Mike
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Re: Nuclear EMP
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So that brings up another interesting question. If you've got food resources and guns to protect it, do you shoot or do you share? That I can answer with a definite " that depends" . Never share of tell anyone what you have
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Re: Nuclear EMP
[Re: Boco]
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By the time you figure out the depends part it will likely be all over. Trying to hold out alone would be a miserable existance and only a matter of a short time before you were gone. Only way to survive would be as part of a "tribe" or tight knit community sharing skills and defense and work. I That's BS! The more people involved the more desent and devision. I will take my chances alone or with a small trusted group any time
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Re: Nuclear EMP
[Re: TreedaBlackdog]
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I firmly disagree. 9/11 showed us clearly what a few individuals could do. We were invaded and our guard is down again......God gave our country a warning, our wall was breached and He will allow an invasion of our country while we continue on our prideful path of sin. Individuals or a small cell of terrorists aren't going to be able to put a guided missile topped by a nuclear weapon 30 miles up into the atmosphere... That's a state-sponsored act of war... Iran, North Korea, etc... Our missile silos are protected from the effects of nuclear EMP so that retaliation is ensured. If they weren't, I'm sure the Russians or Chinese would have tried it years ago and then invaded while we were in the dark with non-functional nuclear missiles. https://www.nytimes.com/1983/12/04/opinion/l-emp-can-t-stop-american-nuclear-retaliation-084377.htmlMike
One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.
Vladimir Lenin
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