Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/10/19 05:09 PM
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Osky, The Dept of Ag/ WS is paid for by the government, and your correct, the actual trappers are not making much. However, the state is paid by the federal government to conduct all these wolf studies, and that amount far exceeds any possible revenue from license sales possible to the states. When the wolf season was first started, anyone wanting to be a nuisance wolf trapper had to get certified by WS, by taking a class, and paying $150.00 to attend. When the program started, these trappers took more wolves in 11 days than WS took the previous year. Those words came from John Erbs mouth, who is doing the wolf studies here/ our furbearer biologist. Also consider that as long as the wolf is on the CITES list it is a federally protected species and that fines for illegally taking one, far exceeds what a state controlled species would yield ( that word is not a mistake). As long as the parameters of the wolf program stay as they currently are, the government agencies will maintain their revenue streams. Either WS or the trappers of this state could easily control the wolf population at a healthy level, just like any canine species
Dirt, Mn. is not Alaska, it can be accessed easily by snomo during our long winters. The only restraints on trappers/ snaremen are put on us by the DNR/ government , by way of trap check laws, equipment restraints, and restricted travel areas. Catching wolves is not a problem, keeping them out of everything is the real problem, and actually getting to use the resource.
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Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/10/19 05:13 PM
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The week before Gun Season my buddy was bow hunting and got chased out of the woods by a pack of Wolfs North West of Green Bay.... Seems that if this type of stuff is happening there is a problem. Now he will not go into any woods without a sidearm. Can't blame the guy... I think he needed new underwear also.
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Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/10/19 05:41 PM
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Rally I understand that access is not a problem, it would be your low harvest quotas. If you are trying to reduce a wolf population, you need to harvest more than 10-20% of the wolf population per year.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/10/19 05:55 PM
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Thanks Rally I figured the money was somewhere up the line. Other than a few instances of helping captain Ken and some of the bear researchers I have no knowledge of the upper workings.
My godfather and his family were at the place 20 some years ago walking out and back on our 2 mile driveway. Half way back they had wolves circle them in the bush and follow them back to the place howling and yapping from the bush. As you can imagine they were all scared to death. They did not have any pets along, and I still have no clue why that happened.
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"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/10/19 05:57 PM
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Rally I understand that access is not a problem, it would be your low harvest quotas. If you are trying to reduce a wolf population, you need to harvest more than 10-20% of the wolf population per year. Those seasons here were to placate not reduce population numbers. Osky
"A womans heart is the hardest rock the Almighty has put on this earth, and I can find no sign on it" Jabless in Minnesota www.SureDockusa.com
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Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/10/19 06:06 PM
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Rally I understand that access is not a problem, it would be your low harvest quotas. If you are trying to reduce a wolf population, you need to harvest more than 10-20% of the wolf population per year. Those seasons here were to placate not reduce population numbers. Osky Best I can find, Minnesota has no maximum Population Objective? I see they are approaching twice their minimum.
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Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/10/19 07:47 PM
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Well jeez Dirt, they have only been studying them 40 years!! LOL
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Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/11/19 12:50 AM
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Well jeez Dirt, they have only been studying them 40 years!! LOL I didn't know it was that funny that Minnesota was F'd up.
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Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/11/19 11:26 AM
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An interesting article that outlines some of the funding that Rally discussed. Special note to this section. The amount Idaho spends for monitoring wolves has been cut by roughly 90 percent since wolves have been delisted and most federal monitoring requirements have expired. “But it’s still really expensive and not very useful for management,” Hayden said." https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2017/mar/06/gray-wolf-recovery-projects-continue-to-drain-mill/
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Re: Wisconsin and Wolves ...
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12/12/19 01:20 AM
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Osky, You should read the article Wimarshrat linked. Everybody should, to get an idea what these wolf programs really cost.
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