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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: pcr2] #6690589
12/11/19 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by pcr2
I get mine the ol fashioned way.


Me too. It's kinda hard on the front of the car, but it's fun.

Mike


One man with a gun may control 100 others who have none.

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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690600
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If a McD employee is worth $15/hr, what's a fur skinner worth per hr?
I caught a 30# problem beaver and figure I made money by leaving it on the river bank for the coyotes.


Life ain't supposed to be easy.
Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: Gary Benson] #6690632
12/11/19 10:54 PM
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What an employee gets paid per hour etc. is not so much of what they can do our how capable they may be but what outcome or dollars can they turn over in an hour or a shift. If a McD employee makes $75 dollars in a 5 hour shift and the store brings in $1,500 in sales or more, compare that to a good coon fur handler putting up 20 coons per hour at $2.50 per pelt, which is $30 per hour or $150 cost in a 5 hour shift. Let us say that the 100 coons have increased in value from $5 to $9 or they are now worth $900 and cost the buyer $500. With a $250 cost to gain the $400 the owner nets $150. Sure the McD franchise owner does not net $1500 but it is probably more than $250.

Bryce

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: scootermac] #6690640
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Originally Posted by scootermac
They are saving their money for Canadian fur. laugh

Scooter get it right;
they are paying Canadians in USD$
and south of us when they cash their cheques it comes out as Canadian dollar being converted...don't let the cat out of the bag.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: lumberjack391] #6690904
12/12/19 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
Originally Posted by danny clifton
when your offering fur face to face and you think the price is low just no. gather up your fur and go home. why does everyone always act like they were forced to accept an offer?


I guess you can only re-freeze carcus fur so many times.....or none, I don't know, never tried it.


or you could skin and freeze. I understand people ay they dont have time but if they dont change their ways and put in the time most are stuck with one buyer. hes lucky he found a different buyer but for most its either sell no matter price, or take home and skin and possibly put up. I skin all my critters but last couple years sell most everything except rats green.

you could look at this2 ways. 1- GFW is using the fall of nafa to take advantage of trappers and make a killing, or 2- a major auction house just fell and the market has not been great in a while, so they are being cautious so they dont go under also. just because one house went under does not mean the prices are all going to go up because lack of furs. those furs will still be available just from one less outlet

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690914
12/12/19 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by trapper20


you could look at this2 ways. 1- GFW is using the fall of nafa to take advantage of trappers and make a killing, or 2- a major auction house just fell and the market has not been great in a while, so they are being cautious so they dont go under also. just because one house went under does not mean the prices are all going to go up because lack of furs. those furs will still be available just from one less outlet


I'll add a 3, from what Guy said to me at the fall convention. His buyers are looking for hides cheap. They don't have a profit margin if they can't get the hides cheap. So we either sell $10 avg coon to them, or don't sell coon at all.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690918
12/12/19 10:15 AM
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You know expanding in this market cost money and is not cautious, guess who gets to pay Groeny's new expenses. smile


Who is John Galt?
Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690919
12/12/19 10:16 AM
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Of course buyers are looking for hides cheap. And as long as they can buy all they need cheap they will remain cheap.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: Dirt] #6690922
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Originally Posted by walleye101
Of course buyers are looking for hides cheap. And as long as they can buy all they need cheap they will remain cheap.


Okay, I'll explain a bit more. The Chinese parka makers use coon fur for lining, because they can get the fur cheap. There is no room in their pricing to pay more for fur. If the furs move up in price too far, they will switch to a different lining rather than change their parka price.
If they quit buying coon, then the price will really drop, if coons would move at all.

Originally Posted by Dirt
You know expanding in this market cost money and is not cautious, guess who gets to pay Groeny's new expenses. smile


Isn't that how most businesses work? They use their profits to expand?

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690924
12/12/19 10:21 AM
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Figured this thread would turn into a cluster.


For those griping about Groeny- Who would you sell your fur to if they didn't come around? Why don't you do that instead?

I'll only sell big heavy pelts. Anything less I make other plans for.


Its embarrassing to read a bunch of grown men complain about the free market on one thread and accuse people on political threads of being socialist. Can't have it both ways gentlemen.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: k snow] #6690928
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Originally Posted by k snow


Originally Posted by Dirt
You know expanding in this market cost money and is not cautious, guess who gets to pay Groeny's new expenses. smile


Isn't that how most businesses work? They use their profits to expand?


Exactly

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690931
12/12/19 10:26 AM
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How do we know Groeny is using profits to expand. Maybe he is expanding with borrowed money like the former Capitalist Giant NAFA. If the rat wagon is coming home have filled this could still be a money loser.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: Dirt] #6690937
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Originally Posted by Dirt
How do we know Groeny is using profits to expand. Maybe he is expanding with borrowed money like the former Capitalist Giant NAFA. If the rat wagon is coming home have filled this could still be a money loser.

Who cares what he's using the profits for! Its their money.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: Dirt] #6690938
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Originally Posted by Dirt
How do we know Groeny is using profits to expand. Maybe he is expanding with borrowed money like the former Capitalist Giant NAFA. If the rat wagon is coming home have filled this could still be a money loser.


How is that different than any other business using a loan?

If you don't like Groeny, don't sell to him.

Don't make him out to be a boogeyman.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690939
12/12/19 10:29 AM
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your too self centered to understand Dirt,and i'm not saying thats a bad thing.









Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: pcr2] #6690943
12/12/19 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by pcr2
your too self centered to understand Dirt,and i'm not saying thats a bad thing.


Maybe I'm self centered like Groeny.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690948
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I guess my intentions weren't meant to bash and start a big fiasco. I was trying to see what was all happening in your area with Groeny buyers.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690952
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Small coon are being used for liners, are cheap and have been. Big heavy coon are being bleached and dyed and use to replace coyotes. The top end is where the price drop seems to be. I don't believe the demand is less than last year but the average is. Most buyers averages have dropped 2 to 4 dollars after NAFA went under, coincidence, I don't think so.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690954
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We are so lucky to have someone to buy our fur. Same attitude I suppose someone making minimum wage has. How dare anyone question fur buyers? Ungrateful people. LOL. It’s not all right for the seller to be a capitalist too? And question things? I’m glad we have Groenwold as an option but hopefully fur buying will involve more competition down the road. If the Chinese can’t pay enough to cover trappers production cost then producing is pointless.


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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690957
12/12/19 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by conibearguy
I guess my intentions weren't meant to bash and start a big fiasco. I was trying to see what was all happening in your area with Groeny buyers.


You were not bashing. You posted a legitimate question. The answer is yes.


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