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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: Rat Masterson] #6690959
12/12/19 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Small coon are being used for liners, are cheap and have been. Big heavy coon are being bleached and dyed and use to replace coyotes. The top end is where the price drop seems to be. I don't believe the demand is less than last year but the average is. Most buyers averages have dropped 2 to 4 dollars after NAFA went under, coincidence, I don't think so.


So are MOST buyers making more profit, or was NAFA artificially inflating the fur prices through their business practices?

Either way, as a seller, if you don't like the offered price, find another buyer.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: The Beav] #6690967
12/12/19 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by The Beav
That's not trashing that's telling It like It Is. He told us what he was offered for his fur.


2 more days and they will be in Prince Albert and Clavet Saskatchewan( 10 mile from Saskatoon) and we will see what the real prices for western heavy coyotes go for;
Then the Brandon Mb. gun show on the 18 Dec as long as someone post from there.

Last edited by Northof50; 12/12/19 11:01 AM. Reason: geography
Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690974
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It's a good time to be a furbuyer.

Jump right in. LMAO




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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: FairbanksLS] #6690992
12/12/19 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gray dog
It's a good time to be a furbuyer.

Jump right in. LMAO





Must be. Groeny is expanding. I'm not.


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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690995
12/12/19 11:32 AM
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i worked in the busines for 40 yrs learning everything i could so someday i'd be the buyer.someday definetely aint now for me either.









Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6690997
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i need to reopen my fur put up business as them prices don't change.that someday aint now either though. wink









Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691007
12/12/19 11:45 AM
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Folks, none of this matters. In southern Indiana, our fur is marginal at best. I pay a guy $3 to skin and flesh my coon and $10 to skin and flesh my coyotes. I just want something to sell. You guys with all the good thick fur, are you coming out? I'm trapping because I like it. "Groeny, NAFA, it don't matter. Maybe your losing less than me so you feel like your winning. Fur is done because it's done in the U.S. China, Germany, Russia; don't hold your breath.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691009
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It blows my mind to why anyone would drive around the country side buying furs... paying non res fur dealer licenses, employee cost/ benefits, insurance, gas, lodging, wear on trucks, dealing w/ poor weather conditions buying near worthless fur that needs cleaning, skinning, exposed to who knows diseases etc etc... for a piddly few pelts from disgruntled sellers... It must be a passion and bank on the future cuz I can't see hardly a margin only risk...

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691011
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It is not Groney bashing or NAFA bashing to have opinions and pontificate on what factors are possibly driving the current fur market.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691014
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One slip of a knife get an infection that one Dr. visit wipes out the whole routes profit if there was one to start?

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691021
12/12/19 12:03 PM
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i'm out trapping just to prove i wasn't lying when i said i'd trap whether i made money or not.









Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691101
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I think I'll mortgage the house and start buying. Now is the time!

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: Backbreaker] #6691107
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Originally Posted by Backbreaker
I think I'll mortgage the house and start buying. Now is the time!



How bad can being homeless really be?
whistle


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: Law Dog] #6691119
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Originally Posted by Backbreaker
I think I'll mortgage the house and start buying. Now is the time!



How bad can being homeless really be?
whistle


Its a dandy life in Portland. The city will clean your poop up for you and give you all the free needles and usage kits you could ever need. You will never get charged with any crimes you commit because you are in need of help and will likely fair well in the temperate climate.


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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691129
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I know of two not homeless furbuyers in Indiana. One, once was on here bragging how much money he made off trappers.


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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: Catcollector] #6691139
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Originally Posted by Catcollector
It blows my mind to why anyone would drive around the country side buying furs... paying non res fur dealer licenses, employee cost/ benefits, insurance, gas, lodging, wear on trucks, dealing w/ poor weather conditions buying near worthless fur that needs cleaning, skinning, exposed to who knows diseases etc etc... for a piddly few pelts from disgruntled sellers... It must be a passion and bank on the future cuz I can't see hardly a margin only risk...



Let's just blame them for being nefarious and taking advantage instead of thinking they may have more overhead than the local buyer and can't pay as much as the local.

Last edited by hippie; 12/12/19 02:20 PM.
Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691161
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I hope you guys read Greg Schroeder's posts about FHA's practices regarding low value no sale furs.


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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691168
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I was personally very pleased with the offer Guy made on my coyotes. Much better prices than I've ever been offered by a Kansas furbuyer. I'm glad there are now options like Groenewold, and Lincoln Fur in my area.

Last edited by TurTLe; 12/12/19 03:07 PM.

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Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691169
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If I was a banker, I couldn't loan money for fur speculation. All the really big money comes from lenders. That's what happens even if your company is 350 years old. You would have to convince me you could double your money quickly. If you hold fur fine, but your paying interest. Even if you are setting flush with cash I believe I'd put it somewhere else. This is a depression.

Re: Groenewold Taking Advantage of no NAFA [Re: conibearguy] #6691172
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If I was a banker, I couldn't loan money for fur speculation. All the really big money comes from lenders. That's what happens even if your company is 350 years old. You would have to convince me you could double your money quickly. If you hold fur fine, but your paying interest. Even if you are setting flush with cash I believe I'd put it somewhere else. This is a depression.

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