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Job Requirements/Rights #6690917
12/12/19 10:15 AM
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We get in a lot of discussions here about working for someone what your rights are at work and such.
The other day I was getting finger printed because of something I'm doing and it got me thinking??

What if your employer came to you and said new work place rule. If you want to keep your job you have to be finger printed and have them place on file here at work?? Lets take it a step farther and say finger prints and DNA sample..
New security rule for the work place every one has to submit no exceptions.
I pretty sure there are jobs where that is already a required and you'd know that going in, have the choice take the job or not
But what if you have worked there for years and then it becomes new rule..
I've always lived with the if you got nothing to hide what does something like that matter.
What every one else think.
If you refuse your let go from your job.

Mac


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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6690927
12/12/19 10:22 AM
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You have nothing to hide is a fallacy. You think you don't have anything to hide, but rules change all the time and often are retroactive.

Would I submit? Depends on the job... Walmart cashier no, handling hazmat or sensitive information probably.

Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6690929
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I view my DNA as a medical record. No one needs that except me.

Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6690930
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Originally Posted by Macthediver
We get in a lot of discussions here about working for someone what your rights are at work and such.
The other day I was getting finger printed because of something I'm doing and it got me thinking??

What if your employer came to you and said new work place rule. If you want to keep your job you have to be finger printed and have them place on file here at work?? Lets take it a step farther and say finger prints and DNA sample..
New security rule for the work place every one has to submit no exceptions.
I pretty sure there are jobs where that is already a required and you'd know that going in, have the choice take the job or not
But what if you have worked there for years and then it becomes new rule..
I've always lived with the if you got nothing to hide what does something like that matter.
What every one else think.
If you refuse your let go from your job.

Mac

This happened (not to your extreme example) in what I do. About 10 years ago a large number of people were hired. Had relatively low requirements. Then about 6 years ago the requirements tightened up. We checked statues and DWD rules. We gave everyone a heads up about the new requirements for security and compliance reasons. We then filtered everyone back through. A decent percentage were then found ineligible to continue to be employed. They were then given 90 day notice.

Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: k snow] #6690942
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Originally Posted by k snow
I view my DNA as a medical record. No one needs that except me.


What if the job you were doing could be suspect to cross contamination by your DNA? then what? you just go find another job?
I have most my whole life had trust issue with management. just the way I was raised.

Mac


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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6690947
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I have a general mistrust on management also, not how I was raised, but form experience. No way would I give any of my current or former managers my DNA.

Yes, I'd be job hunting in a hurry.

If my DNA contaminates a sample, they don't need to know its mine, just that its contaminated.

I can see an application like that for law enforcement, evidence, etc. I have the same level of trust in government as I do management.

Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6690951
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Never heard of having to give DNA...finger prints, yes. Heck just about everything I’ve done recently required finger prints. Weapons license...finger prints. Adoption...finger prints. Even one of the places I have to work sometimes required finger prints and a background check. None have asked for DNA.

Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6690960
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If you have a job that's worried about dna cross contamination, your lab probaably be shutdown due to shoddy safety, collection and custody protocols.

I see no reason to give dna unless you're involved in top secret projects and you need to be identified without making requests for medical information.

Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6690998
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Mistrust management. Why would someone work for management they don't trust?

There are always options. Heck, they could start a business, of course.they might not trust that they'd be successful.


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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6691001
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If you can get a long line of black sheep to follow your lead it will send the message loud and clear

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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: FairbanksLS] #6691004
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Originally Posted by gray dog

Mistrust management. Why would someone work for management they don't trust?

There are always options. Heck, they could start a business, of course.they might not trust that they'd be successful.


That's why I left those jobs. My current management has not given me a risen to distrust them yet, but I sure as heck won't give them any more information than I believe they need.

Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6691015
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I consider myself a private person yet I willingly go on the internet sharing information.

The only thing they don't have is my DNA.


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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6691069
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How many are willing to get a chip installed like a pet to keep a job? Nope I don't fall in line for invasion of my privacy And before anyone says you have something to hide, not to my knowledge. I don't like when someone reads over my shoulder either.


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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6691075
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I haven't had to submit any finger prints yet but I get background checked probably once a month maybe more.


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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6691095
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I have had 5 jobs where I had to be fingerprinted and co-owned a company where we fingerprinted all of our employees. My DNA profile has been done too. It's been a non issue for me having my fingerprints and DNA on file. If I was taking part in criminal activities, with a few precautions, it would not be much of an issue either.

I have a lot of friends who have very high clearances and I frequently get interviewed as part of their background checks. The FBI fingerprinted me during one of my friend Rob's checks, which I thought was a little strange. Usually the agents come to me or occasionally call, if I have previously talked to the agent. It was the first check where I had to go to an office to meet with the agent.

Keith

Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6691118
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I don't know anyone that requires sample of DNA or having to be chipped like live stock. That is something for future though
If I had to guess you would probably see that for military personnel first. Like good soldiers they'd have no say, just get inline..I know I read or heard some where the military was considering some type ID chip that would glue to a tooth I think they said.
I really don't think I need to worry about it in my time left. Giving DNA or being chipped without wanting to.

But think what weaponized DNA could do?? Just like the vaccine that some people refuse to take.
I'm pretty sure they have scientist looking for genetic links to certain diseases.. In fact I know they do because my sister inlaw was responsible for finding one.. So if their looking for ways to cure a genetic defect by using and altering DNA to repair it..
Think about this. A weapon be it a virus, gas, some chemical could be designed to target just certain DNA.. Right?.
Kill anyone with that type DNA be targets a race of people or just some certain illness they have or might be prone to get.
Now that is a little scarier than just loosing your job for not peeing in a cup..
Gotta think Gattaca

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BpzVFdDeWyo

Mac


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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6691175
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I personally would't have a problem with DNA. A chip that can be tracked is another story. I would imagine it would have different issues depending on the state as some are RIGHT TO WORK states and some are not. I would imagine unions would come into play. Some religions might have issues with it which could fall into all kinds of things. I would also imagine special interest groups would be all over it as well.Depending on the job I would like to know that I could be identified if something made it otherwise difficult to do so. I could see it being a plus if you were impaired in some way or even if something criminal or unfortunate were to happen if you were outside your country of origin. JMO. I do however respect each individuals right to privacy and respect anyones choice to not do it.


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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6691182
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Cell phones are great tracking devices. I love my cell phone. Even take it in the bathroom.


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Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: FairbanksLS] #6691199
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Many of you were never drafted or enlisted in the service.. If I were in the service now I would want the military to have a DNA sample, if I got charred bad or burned they could identify who I was, but then that is just my opinion.

Bryce

Re: Job Requirements/Rights [Re: Macthediver] #6691211
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When I was on the fire department we would give out a small envelop with a card inside that folded to people that had small kids. There were question on the card asking you to place a picture, a hair sample and a description of your child and put this in a safe place just in case your child came up missing.
Sorry off subject. Something to think about.


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