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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: The Beav] #6690979
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Originally Posted by The Beav
I think my statement about a true average Is relevant. If you sold all 10 what would your average be? What was the break down on the 5 you took home

And since you took 5 home what are you going to do with them?

Looks like you did good on the five you sold was there that much difference between the 5 you sold and the 5 you took home. I know this Isn't your first rodeo so you know your fur.

Yep I am true average guy myself
It's always interesting how we look at a pile of fur.


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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691018
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Of the five i took home, one had a rub between the shoulder blade. The others were not 44 dollar cheaper coyotes. He didnt get upset when I didnt sell them. Beav, I have more coyotes. Deer season ends Monday. I will get out there again. The five will go with them when I sell. I dont think I will sell any more to the route truck.


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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691039
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Thanks for the info Danny.


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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: k snow] #6691047
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Originally Posted by k snow
Originally Posted by The Beav
I think my statement about a true average Is relevant. If you sold all 10 what would your average be? What was the break down on the 5 you took home

And since you took 5 home what are you going to do with them?

Looks like you did good on the five you sold was there that much difference between the 5 you sold and the 5 you took home. I know this Isn't your first rodeo so you know your fur.


Beav's right, a true average would be ALL of the fur.

I recently took 8 coon to Guy. He offered 1 @ 20, 1@15, 2 @10 and 4 at 5. That's a $9.38 average.

I took back the 4 @ 5, he counter offered to buy one of those at 8, and I agreed. So I sold 5 hides, 1 @ 20, 1 @ 15, 2@ 10 and 1 at 8. Average for sold is 12.60. But, I still have 3 hides. Technically, they are a 0, until I sell them somewhere.




You guys kill me. When I tried to mouth about your average at NAFA using the same formula some said I was mentally challenged .. (may be )
So you guys going to post your "REAL" averages on here including the buy backs , insufficient funds, and 25 cent coons that sold to NAFA ?????

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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: jbyrd63] #6691050
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[quote=jbyrd63



You guys kill me. When I tried to mouth about your average at NAFA using the same formula some said I was mentally challenged .. (may be )
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Wasn't me, I've never sold through NAFA.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: k snow] #6691053
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Originally Posted by k snow
[quote=jbyrd63



You guys kill me. When I tried to mouth about your average at NAFA using the same formula some said I was mentally challenged .. (may be )



Wasn't me, I've never sold through NAFA.[/quote]


LOL No but the kool aid drinkers sure gave me heck....... You and I agree Its in any production product. If you cut 10 loads of wood and can only sell 7 at 200 bucks a load and the rest rots (like coons at nafa). Your average isn't 200 bucks, it's 140 . You received 1400 bucks out of the 10 loads you produced. The rest became useless . Like held over fur.....................



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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691065
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Good deal Danny. It sure helps to know your furs worth and have options.

Have you ever sent any to the sale in Co!orado? I've seen some decent results from them before.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: hippie] #6691070
12/12/19 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hippie
Good deal Danny. It sure helps to know your furs worth and have options.

Have you ever sent any to the sale in Co!orado? I've seen some decent results from them before.


" I dont think I will sell any more to the route truck." Sounds like he wasn't impressed?


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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691072
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He sold didn't he? Something musta suited him.

And, did I say he was impressed? Go fight with someone else today Dirt.

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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: hippie] #6691114
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Originally Posted by hippie
Good deal Danny. It sure helps to know your furs worth and have options.

Have you ever sent any to the sale in Co!orado? I've seen some decent results from them before.

I wish he could take the same 5 he sold and run them through the Colorado sale to see what happens. I sent fur there once and wasnt impressed at all. Guess Oklahoma must have the crappiest fur in all the states. The guy that put the fur up for me even thought what I got was a joke.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691143
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We've all wished that a time of two Matt, once the hammer dropped.

Sorry to hear you didn't get what you tho k your fur was worth at an auction, but that's the risk over going to the Groeny truck first.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: jbyrd63] #6691154
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[/quote] You guys kill me. When I tried to mouth about your average at NAFA using the same formula some said I was mentally challenged .. (may be )
So you guys going to post your "REAL" averages on here including the buy backs , insufficient funds, and 25 cent coons that sold to NAFA ????? [/quote]

On the thousands of coons I have sent to NAFA since 2014 I have 4 remaining that are unsold and a $66 check that bounced. I tried to find a yearly average over those 5 years but a few of those reports won't load. Anecdotally that average will be over $14 after every single fee and commission you can think of is taken out. The slightly over $100 I am out because of unsold coons and bounced checks is a rounding error in the ten of thousands of dollars that NAFA has sold for me. That is why you argument is dumb. You have blown a minor cost and inconvenience way out of proportion. If I sell to Groenewold this year, I am likely to take a 40% haircut on that average and it will cost me thousands. Groeny most certainly does not rock.

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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691186
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I was happy with what I was offered on the 8 coyotes I took. Coon average sucked, but I already knew that was going to happen. Top coyotes were at $70 and my lowest was $30. Averaged $51 and some change.

I've been in a good run of coyotes. Could I do better at FHA? yeah probably, but I'm just happy to have another option to sell fur. It's nice have Groney and Lincoln Fur so close to me now.


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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691191
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On a side note, from the prices quoted for bobcats, neither one of them will be getting mine. I'll ship them. I don't know what the cat market is doing, but $45 tops just isn't even close to the ballpark I'd be playing in.


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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: TurTLe] #6691283
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What did he offer on your coons? Anyone sell any beaver?

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: K52] #6691290
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Originally Posted by K52
What did he offer on your coons? Anyone sell any beaver?


I'm trying to sell blanket beaver as we speak.

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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691315
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Very nice Dirt.


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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691334
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Hey TT
I bet groneys ave will blow NAFA away this year!!!!

So let me get this straight . You sold THOUSANDS of coons to nafa. But didn't have any that got held over until they went stale and sold at a firesale for .25? I find that hard to believe unless you have the best coon in the nation and got in on ALL the top prices. Don't take many .25 cent coons do drop them 25 dollar coon really fast.
But I have no way of knowing how much you got paid . But sure are a lot of fellows on here would like to have those averages over last 4 years on OVER 2000 coons. (you said thousandS ) means more than 1999 this bunch you have to be precise no guestimating

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: jbyrd63] #6691365
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The firesale word gets thrown around all the time but there was only one auction a few years back that would have even remotely begun to have fit into that category and even then my average before fees was low 7s-high 6s on fairly low volume. I do not recall having ever sold coon for less than a dollar. That's not to say it hasn't happened but if it did, it would not have been in any serious quantities. The point of my post wasn't to say there weren't holdovers from auction to auction or season to season. The point was that in the six seasons of doing business with them there were only 4 coon that hadn't sold and to go further into that point, 4 coons has been about the average holdover per season after that infamous "firesale" that everyone talks about. If I had a choice of having to hold on to 4 coons a season or get paid 40% less for my entire collection, that's not even really a choice. What you saw from NAFA and what I saw from NAFA could be two very different things given the difference in our sections. There has been some decent demand for northern coon for quite some time and have sold out at decent prices and decent clearances. Unfortunately you are right though...Groeny's averages will most likely blow away NAFA's this year. That fact does not make the pain of the situation any less severe.

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I hope the chinamen start buying otter again.
For many years good prices like these were the norm for scrap fur at the auctions.Only one labelled skin out of the bunch.Today most of that grade fur would not be shipped.

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