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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691409
12/12/19 08:02 PM
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Tone , hope you got that much because at over 500 coons a year (your words not mine) lord knows you worked hard. I caught 86 one year and felt it after finishing that many.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691534
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I'm going to back Ttone on this one. I was only doing about 30-50 coon a year in recent years, mostly incidental to coyote trapping. Always a few held over from auction to auction but always got paid and paid pretty well. I have no complaints about any "fire sale" activity.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691578
12/12/19 10:10 PM
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2014 to 2019 is six auction seasons not 4. I'm in the low 400s this year. I put up 62 at a time. You get used to the grind after a couple hundred. I'm in the shed now trying to download the picture but I'm not sure it's going to work.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691766
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My NAFA coon situation generally mirrors TrapperTone's but at way, way, way smaller amounts of hides shipped. I do like playing with numbers so I have an Excel spreadsheet where my yearly and cumulative NAFA auction metrics were calculated. I have no fur sitting in NAFA storage except for 3 grinners, all my coon shipped from the 2018/19 season has sold, although I did get a bounced check for the last 6 ones.

I had coon fur in 16 NAFA auctions btween May 2013 and August 2019. My high was $28 and my low was $1 (a couple examples that were fresh coon that were screwed up to begin with or I screwed up in handling). My 2016 and 2018 NAFA selling seasons were disappointments, other than that, I was satisfied. My overall cumulative NAFA coon average was $12.36, after 9% commission that brings it down to $11.25, all sizes included, although I haven't sent anything smaller than 1xl since 2015, except 1 Lge this past season (went Western Northen and got $4 for it). My personal threshold average to dink with coon in my overall slowness and scale of trapping is $10. I haven't set a trap for coon this season. Don't know if I will, have burned all my vacation time on a couple of trips to see my kid in the Amry.

Good luck to you TrapperTone, you have a good system and work hard. Keep those averages north of a Hamilton!!


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
Genesis 1:26
Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: NonPCfed] #6691778
12/13/19 01:46 AM
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I've actually had the conversation with my trapping buddy that this may be my last season. Contrary to everyone else on this forum I am trapping for the money. I treat it like my own little business and the current prices that are out there do not justify the work (as has been stated by others in disbelief in my catch is too much). If FHA is unable to attract enough buyers to push up their averages towards where NAFA was at I will probably look to liquidate my trapping assets. This is what we should fear from the buyers who are taking advantage of the NAFA situation. I can't fault them for doing it but they are putting in jeopardy the future of the fur market. If production collapses to a point where there isn't enough fur in the pipeline to even think about creating a fashion design around it, fur prices will never be able to rebound relegating the entire industry to novelty use alone. I realize we are not there yet, but if I'm already considering getting out of the sport, there has to plenty more with that same thought at least somewhat subconsciously rolling around in their heads.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: TrapperTone] #6691820
12/13/19 06:53 AM
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Adapt and overcome, why is it up to FHA to make up your lost margin?
Originally Posted by TrapperTone
I've actually had the conversation with my trapping buddy that this may be my last season. Contrary to everyone else on this forum I am trapping for the money. I treat it like my own little business and the current prices that are out there do not justify the work (as has been stated by others in disbelief in my catch is too much). If FHA is unable to attract enough buyers to push up their averages towards where NAFA was at I will probably look to liquidate my trapping assets. This is what we should fear from the buyers who are taking advantage of the NAFA situation. I can't fault them for doing it but they are putting in jeopardy the future of the fur market. If production collapses to a point where there isn't enough fur in the pipeline to even think about creating a fashion design around it, fur prices will never be able to rebound relegating the entire industry to novelty use alone. I realize we are not there yet, but if I'm already considering getting out of the sport, there has to plenty more with that same thought at least somewhat subconsciously rolling around in their heads.

I found a new market that boosted my margin greatly. I for one will continue to trap just as I will fish and hunt. For the money I spend on those 2 things I could buy fish and meat for food at a much lesser cost....


Wish I had more time to trap....
Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: K52] #6691832
12/13/19 07:12 AM
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Sold 25 beaver. Not put up. 19 at 8.00. 6at 2.00. Buying by size. Color or fur did not seem to matter.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: TrapperTone] #6691834
12/13/19 07:17 AM
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Originally Posted by TrapperTone
I've actually had the conversation with my trapping buddy that this may be my last season. Contrary to everyone else on this forum I am trapping for the money. I treat it like my own little business and the current prices that are out there do not justify the work (as has been stated by others in disbelief in my catch is too much). If FHA is unable to attract enough buyers to push up their averages towards where NAFA was at I will probably look to liquidate my trapping assets. This is what we should fear from the buyers who are taking advantage of the NAFA situation. I can't fault them for doing it but they are putting in jeopardy the future of the fur market. If production collapses to a point where there isn't enough fur in the pipeline to even think about creating a fashion design around it, fur prices will never be able to rebound relegating the entire industry to novelty use alone. I realize we are not there yet, but if I'm already considering getting out of the sport, there has to plenty more with that same thought at least somewhat subconsciously rolling around in their heads.
Well put

Last edited by blackhammer; 12/13/19 07:23 AM.

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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: strike2x] #6691961
12/13/19 10:37 AM
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It is up to FHA to make up everyone's lost margin as they are now the only ones seriously competing against the fur buyers and given the current offers going around, the buyers don't view FHA as competition in the same way as they saw NAFA. If FHA doesn't get better prices than they have in the past, it justifies the huge price drop seen in the country this year. Again the word "firesale" has been thrown around everywhere on this forum for years. I personally didn't see it, but perhaps others on this forum did and if it did in fact happen I would suggest that the current prices are more danger to the fur market as a whole than that one time event especially because I see no reason for the fur buyers increase their prices in the future without competition from an auction or until volume reaches a point where the market will probably be dead anyways. I am glad you found another market for your fur but unless you sold it to biofuel company who is turning it into the fuel of the future, it is for novelty use and that market cannot sustain the volume for needed for our sport to thrive in the future.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691984
12/13/19 10:59 AM
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When you have been selling the best coon in the world for $14 averages, and think these are not on fire, you possibly have not sold them for $30 or $40 averages?


Who is John Galt?
Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6691987
12/13/19 11:05 AM
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I have not sold them for $30-$40 but I can make the economics work at $14 averages. I cannot make them work at $10 or less.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6692043
12/13/19 11:53 AM
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I thought this was about what groney was paying in Ks.?

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: bch] #6692080
12/13/19 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by bch
I thought this was about what groney was paying in Ks.?

Not any more now this thread is about what south Dakota coon use to be worth. I know one thing if they had Oklahoma coon they would be happy with the prices they get for south Dakota coon

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: Matt28] #6692097
12/13/19 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Matt28
Originally Posted by bch
I thought this was about what groney was paying in Ks.?

Not any more now this thread is about what south Dakota coon use to be worth. I know one thing if they had Oklahoma coon they would be happy with the prices they get for south Dakota coon


Let's try this again. Anyone sell any Kansas coons to Groeny this go around and are willing to post prices?

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: TrapperTone] #6692209
12/13/19 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TrapperTone
I've actually had the conversation with my trapping buddy that this may be my last season. Contrary to everyone else on this forum I am trapping for the money. I treat it like my own little business and the current prices that are out there do not justify the work (as has been stated by others in disbelief in my catch is too much). If FHA is unable to attract enough buyers to push up their averages towards where NAFA was at I will probably look to liquidate my trapping assets. This is what we should fear from the buyers who are taking advantage of the NAFA situation. I can't fault them for doing it but they are putting in jeopardy the future of the fur market. If production collapses to a point where there isn't enough fur in the pipeline to even think about creating a fashion design around it, fur prices will never be able to rebound relegating the entire industry to novelty use alone. I realize we are not there yet, but if I'm already considering getting out of the sport, there has to plenty more with that same thought at least somewhat subconsciously rolling around in their heads.


This was incredibly well said.

I recently listened to someone extremely knowledgeable on the fur industry explain this concern. It is indeed directly related to discussions of GFC prices.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6692213
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Sure glad you pulled the nails out of the coffin MNCedar......put some sense back in this thread going no-where

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: Northof50] #6692240
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Originally Posted by Northof50
Sure glad you pulled the nails out of the coffin MNCedar......put some sense back in this thread going no-where


There is currently an oversupply even at these prices. There is no lack of supply, and never will be since people trap for fun.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: trapfurfun] #6692251
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I see that Dirt,look at all the inapropriate references to "Sport" in regards to trapping.


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Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: Dirt] #6692261
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Northof50
Sure glad you pulled the nails out of the coffin MNCedar......put some sense back in this thread going no-where


There is currently an oversupply even at these prices. There is no lack of supply, and never will be since people trap for fun.

People that trap for fun dont have to sell the fur just pitch it in the ditch. No need to sell something that wont pay the gas anyway.

Re: Groeny’s first kansas run [Re: Dirt] #6692289
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Northof50
Sure glad you pulled the nails out of the coffin MNCedar......put some sense back in this thread going no-where


There is currently an oversupply even at these prices. There is no lack of supply, and never will be since people trap for fun.


And at these low prices, no boom in sight or someone surely would be willing to buy some up and gamble.

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