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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: MJM] #6690625
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I thought tribal people can still do the traditional hide under cover on a top of a butte, bait raptors, and then pull off tail feathers after they've caught them? But I don't think that law allows them to sell those feathers.

Another way for them to obtain parts
https://www.fws.gov/faq/featherfaq.html

A story about the traditional way of temporarily capturing an eagle to pluck some feathers

https://www.5280.com/2014/10/the-feather/


"And God said, Let us make man in our image �and let them have dominion �and all the creatures that move along the ground".
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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: Law Dog] #6690660
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Most of the endangered species have been supported by sportsmen efforts and protected by politics well past the projected goals.


Law Dog, you are 100% right, but that does not mean you have to kill them just for the fun of it or to make money.


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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: MJM] #6690664
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I have a friend that rehabs raptors, IF an eagle dies, she has to sent the remains to some Gov. agency. She can not keep any part of the eagle. Even the feather that are molted has to be sent to them. I think she can keep one set of tail feather to imp in a new tail.


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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: Getting There] #6690665
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Most of the endangered species have been supported by sportsmen efforts and protected by politics well past the projected goals.


Law Dog, you are 100% right, but that does not mean you have to kill them just for the fun of it or to make money.



Never said anything even close to that, here is a example the plan here was they would delist them at 120 breeding pairs and when they hit 150 pairs they just started talking about it. Never said we needed to kill them it just makes ADC work easier so when they do cause issues, because less of a listing is less red tape.

Strictly cause and effect nothing to do with hunting them. Tell you what if the huggers came out of the woodwork for tail bounties their heads will explode when it comes to eagles and yes politics will become a factor then.

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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: MJM] #6690906
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the federal repository for eagle feathers is a joke. We wait 7-10 years once we sign up to get a box full of stinky, ratty, decomposed garbage. its more of an insult that anything. also just for ya'lls info. most of us "indians" dont give a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) about bald eagle feathers. maybe for a bustle since they look cool. but the spiritual significance is in the Goldies. and i am a real indian, dont condone what they did

Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: Boco] #6690909
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Originally Posted by Boco
The Natives do not care that the eagle is some kind of national symbol of the colonizers,They revere the eagle as a link to the creator.This does not mean they cannot use animal clan dodem,but there are other restrictions.An Eagle feather to Native people is like the Christian bible to Christians.
I dont think non native people for the most part have any clue about Native spirituality.
We really never will because a lot of their ceremonies are only for native people and non natives are not welcomed nor allowed at certain spiritual ceremonies like the Sun Vow.I know Many young Native men(and women) that take part in the Sun vow.They have all the piercings visible on their bodys.


what nation do you have up there thats piercing? i didnt think the tree people did that...thought it was us

Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: MJM] #6691040
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LawDog:
I am sorry but you might have misunderstood my reply. You were 100% right when reaching the project goal and taking forever to delist. I agree. In no way did I want anyone to think is was ok to kill eagles. The sure was not my intent.


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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: Nativetrapper10] #6691052
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Cree and Oji-cree here.Cree are a widespread group,from the plains to the boreal.
Sundance is a yearly thing here and includes fasting and piercings.It is one of their most sacred ceremonies.It is a rite of passage for young native people.Some take part every year.I dont know all that is involved.I know they go 4 days without food or water,do the sweat lodge and drag heavy weights attached to toggles pierced thru their back.
Whiteman not allowed.
An eagle is used for more than just feathers,head and talons for staffs,and flutes are made from wingbones.

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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: MJM] #6691056
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Always heard of plains cree and woods cree. Just read an article about the Northwest rebellion with Big Bear and Poundmaker. That Poundmaker looks absolutely magnificent. Hi and thanks for chiming in Nativetrap, good to hear from an authority.

Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: Getting There] #6691203
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Originally Posted by Getting There
LawDog:
I am sorry but you might have misunderstood my reply. You were 100% right when reaching the project goal and taking forever to delist. I agree. In no way did I want anyone to think is was ok to kill eagles. The sure was not my intent.


Was not my intent either. LOL Just if one has a taste for chickens I'd like to fix the problem myself on the spot not wait for help that never comes. I live on a lake that attracks geese and with them comes the Bald and Golden's never had any issues yet but they could change at any time.


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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: Nativetrapper10] #6691206
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Originally Posted by Nativetrapper10
the federal repository for eagle feathers is a joke. We wait 7-10 years once we sign up to get a box full of stinky, ratty, decomposed garbage. its more of an insult that anything. also just for ya'lls info. most of us "indians" dont give a (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) about bald eagle feathers. maybe for a bustle since they look cool. but the spiritual significance is in the Goldies. and i am a real indian, dont condone what they did


Nativetrapper: I called my friend that does the rehab work, I read her your post. She said he is probably right! Any eagle that she gets in has to be sent to the repository no matter there shape. She said that she gets eagles in that are in very bad condition that die. All feather from the molt have to be sent to the repository.


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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: MJM] #6692269
12/13/19 05:24 PM
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Eagles taste like a cross between a spotted owl and a loon,,but not near as good eating as the California Condor.

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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: upstateNY] #6692284
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Eagles taste like a cross between a spotted owl and a loon,,but not near as good eating as the California Condor.



I do find them a little more tender than the condors.


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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: MJM] #6692304
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Nothing More then Glorified Buzzards... The Turkey should be the American Bird..

Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: MJM] #6692319
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Quote

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"I don't get too bent over eagles, or raptors in general. They're thick as flies here. No need to wipe them out but they're wild animals... They need managed like everything else."



The most sensible argument on this thread


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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: danny clifton] #6692334
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
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Mike in A-town said,


"I don't get too bent over eagles, or raptors in general. They're thick as flies here. No need to wipe them out but they're wild animals... They need managed like everything else."



The most sensible argument on this thread

I couldn't agree more.BUT,Managing is one thing,,poaching for profit is another.


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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: upstateNY] #6692446
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Q and A's on the national eagle repository below - remember it's a government operation... May have been some changes since this came out in '06.

forums.powwows.com/f81/faq-laws-about-eagle-feathers-35801/

Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: upstateNY] #6692497
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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Eagles taste like a cross between a spotted owl and a loon,,but not near as good eating as the California Condor.


Mmmm, tastes like freedom.

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Re: SD father and son & eagle parts and pieces [Re: tomahawker] #6692510
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Originally Posted by tomahawker
Always heard of plains cree and woods cree. Just read an article about the Northwest rebellion with Big Bear and Poundmaker. That Poundmaker looks absolutely magnificent. Hi and thanks for chiming in Nativetrap, good to hear from an authority.


a little read of these peoples that helped created Saskatchewan and got the sharp end of the stick.
http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=20&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjWyY6p9bPmAhVEXqwKHfVkCOYQFjATegQIBRAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.alittlehistory.com%2FNativeRb.htm&usg=AOvVaw2aNh-u994lLPehwU_bhuj8

In the 1980 drove through the pan handle in Texas after a rain/ice storm and there was 100's if not more; electrocuted eagles under their transmissions lines in a 40 mile stretch. The 3 wires and placement was just right for the wet eagles to spread their wings in the morning and get Zapped, almost every pole has a eagle under it. The halk's did not touch when they spread their wings.

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