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Convention of States?? #6698285
12/18/19 11:04 PM
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Anybody know anything about it or heard of it? Or am I just behind as normal.

Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698296
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Anybody know anything about it or heard of it? Or am I just behind as normal.

Ain't heard squat. That's usually for an amendment to the constitution I believe.


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698307
12/18/19 11:19 PM
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This is a Constitutional measure to add or remove Amendments to the Constitution. In reality, such a convention could create and ratify an entirely new Constitution. For those not aware of the Philadelphia Convention which created the Constitution, the representatives from the States were sent to consider amendments to the Articles of Confederation. James Madison had been working on though a federal system. The delegates were floored when they discovered they were being asked to consider throwing out the Confederacy and ratify this system of government which had never been tried before.
it was revolutionary, and they delegates argued about it all summer, as the small states were terrified of being dominated by large states and large states were terrified they would be dominated by a mass of small states. The compromise was a brilliant experiment.

Mark Levin has been preaching this Convention for sometime to "fix" things. Considering how absolutely corrupt the people in power are in this country, does anyone think that if a group of people were allowed to open up the Constitution that what would not come out would not look like a worse version of things, as John Adams and Benjamin Franklin both warned that our Republic requires honest people in power.
The examples of Justice John Roberts rewriting law for Obamacare forcing people to buy something under penalty, Mr. Obama ruling by Executive Order and the current vote today by the House impeaching a President for being a President, is not people following the Constitution.

Laws are required for dishonest people. A Constitution is required for dictators.

It is illogical in this climate to think that more laws or trusting people to fix the Constitution will solve anything. The fix is honest people and they are in short supply.

Re: Convention of States?? [Re: star flakes] #6698351
12/18/19 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by star flakes
This is a Constitutional measure to add or remove Amendments to the Constitution. In reality, such a convention could create and ratify an entirely new Constitution. For those not aware of the Philadelphia Convention which created the Constitution, the representatives from the States were sent to consider amendments to the Articles of Confederation. James Madison had been working on though a federal system. The delegates were floored when they discovered they were being asked to consider throwing out the Confederacy and ratify this system of government which had never been tried before.
it was revolutionary, and they delegates argued about it all summer, as the small states were terrified of being dominated by large states and large states were terrified they would be dominated by a mass of small states. The compromise was a brilliant experiment.

Mark Levin has been preaching this Convention for sometime to "fix" things. Considering how absolutely corrupt the people in power are in this country, does anyone think that if a group of people were allowed to open up the Constitution that what would not come out would not look like a worse version of things, as John Adams and Benjamin Franklin both warned that our Republic requires honest people in power.
The examples of Justice John Roberts rewriting law for Obamacare forcing people to buy something under penalty, Mr. Obama ruling by Executive Order and the current vote today by the House impeaching a President for being a President, is not people following the Constitution.

Laws are required for dishonest people. A Constitution is required for dictators.

It is illogical in this climate to think that more laws or trusting people to fix the Constitution will solve anything. The fix is honest people and they are in short supply.



Absolutely not true. Read the directions. First a required number of state legislatures must call for a convention. Once called for the Senate is required to schedule and set the ground rules. Yes, the convention may propose whatever amendment(s) their hearts desire, including scrap and rewrite the whole thing. However, each state has a say by both the means of the instruction they provide their representatives and final say in having the ratify the results by the same super majority as for amendments or by the whole in case of rewrite.
While I share your caution and concern I do believe our founders wisely established the Constitution with innate restrictions to what you fear.


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698362
12/18/19 11:53 PM
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The Constitution is fine the way it is. What needs to be done is remove all people that don't support the Constitution from any type of position in government.


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698372
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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: coyote 1] #6698377
12/19/19 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by coyote 1
The Constitution is fine the way it is. What needs to be done is remove all people that don't support the Constitution from any type of position in government.

X2


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Catch22] #6698414
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Originally Posted by Catch22
Originally Posted by coyote 1
The Constitution is fine the way it is. What needs to be done is remove all people that don't support the Constitution from any type of position in government.

X2

Ditto.

Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698428
12/19/19 01:05 AM
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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698450
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There is nothing wrong with our constitution. The problem is with the liars and thiefs that wrap themselves in it when they are going against everything it stands for. I have watched one after another of them do it for quite some time. Funny thing is those same folks wouldn't make a pimple on the butt of any of the framers of our constitution. I always remember the statement of a wise old friend. " Power corrupts absolutely and absolute power corrupts. Come November this can all be fixed but we have at least another year to go.


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698479
12/19/19 06:24 AM
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One huge problem is lack of penalty for those violating oaths to preserve the Constitution. For instance the entire democratic house caucus should be facing charges today.


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698482
12/19/19 06:38 AM
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Its time to reinstate public hanging


The requirements to change the bill of rights have not changed. People who want to dis- arm us legally are the ones who need to change the constitution. The bar is too high and they cant do it. So they are resorting to other means. Isn't that treason? Isn't that supposed to be a hanging offense? Surly there are enough street lights in D.C.?

Lets not forget the supremes either. That body of jurists is supposed to be apolitical. That would be nice. If they did their job. Made sure the constitution was followed by the government instead of using their creative writing skills to change what is written from their bench.


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: white17] #6698516
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Thank you white, very informative if a person would read it.
One of the groups opposed to a convention is the Sierra Club. Imagine if the states wanted to propose an amendment to the U.S. Constitution preserving the right to hunt, fish, and trap. Sierra club can't have that. Planned Parenthood is another such group opposed to such a convention.
I know a convention ain't nearly as "romantic" as an armed insurrection to preserve the Constitution, but it might be a lot less painful.

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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698546
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We have the right to hunt fish and trap here in ks. This year along with the 28.50 hunting license you have to buy your first either sex deer tag for 42.50. You can buy several doe tags at 22.50 but you must first buy the expensive either sex tag. I have complained directly to those responsible in Pratt as well as my state representative. Blaine Finch, state legislator said they actually authorized the tags to go up to a hundred. I have the feeling he is related to a used car salesman with that attitude. The anti gun/hunting moron I spoke to in Pratt said deer hunting had nothing to do with food when I asked why he thought a deer was worth so much and asked why a turkey tag was higher than the cost of a turkey ready to eat in the grocery store. Said it was the fee to hunt.

You can write anything you want in a constitution but unless CITIZENS hold their representatives feet to the fire, it wont mean diddly.

We also have a state law making the enforcement of federal gun law a felony in the state of Kansas. To date not a single fed has been arrested or charged.


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: white17] #6698556
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Thanks for posting this. It was a good read and provided clarification.


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: ] #6698560
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Originally Posted by J Staton

Thank you white, very informative if a person would read it.
One of the groups opposed to a convention is the Sierra Club. Imagine if the states wanted to propose an amendment to the U.S. Constitution preserving the right to hunt, fish, and trap. Sierra club can't have that. Planned Parenthood is another such group opposed to such a convention.
I know a convention ain't nearly as "romantic" as an armed insurrection to preserve the Constitution, but it might be a lot less painful.


I think a convention would be worth a shot. We should all be prepared for the next step if that fails.


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698565
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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: warrior] #6698573
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Originally Posted by warrior
One huge problem is lack of penalty for those violating oaths to preserve the Constitution. For instance the entire democratic house caucus should be facing charges today.

Correct!!!


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Re: Convention of States?? [Re: Yes sir] #6698574
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I believe term limits (or lack of) would be amended by COS

Re: Convention of States?? [Re: corky] #6698589
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Originally Posted by corky
Be careful what you wish for


I only wish to preserve our 2a. If it can be done without a blood bath that's great. If it requires civil war 2 , I will stand with everyone willing.


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