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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6696569
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So would you recommend rubberizing the bottom of the cage trap or maybe dipping in wax?

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6696576
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So would you recommend rubberizing the bottom of the cage trap or maybe dipping in wax?

Not At all. Might have some effect but probably not.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6696580
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You have to make the trap so that the field is directed to be reduced where how and where you want it to be.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: Kirk De] #6698836
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Originally Posted by Kirk De
You have to make the trap so that the field is directed to be reduced where how and where you want it to be.

How do you do that?

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698837
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So would a big wooden box trap work better?

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698874
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There was an individual on here a year a two ago asking if it would be beneficial to demagnetize footholds. Most people acted like it was a ridiculous idea. I'm not sure if it's beneficial or not for footholds but I bet people may be more open about the thought now. I'm sure a lot of different factors would come into play with a trap being buried in different soils vs. a cage trap sitting on top of the ground.

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698946
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Kirk,I just ordered the book.Does a person need a magnetometer to realize benefits that you are talking about?Thanks.

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698955
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So would a big wooden box trap work better?


Some of the trap would need to be metal. for strength. Once the trap was ever contaminated it would be hard to illiminate smell. Wood also makes the trap very heavy, especially after a long rain. The ones I made are very heavy when you get to the larger size.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698957
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Kirk,I just ordered the book.Does a person need a magnetometer to realize benefits that you are talking about?Thanks.

The book shows you how to turn your phone into a Magnetometer.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698964
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someone build an aluminium cage trap and see if that works


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698965
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There was an individual on here a year a two ago asking if it would be beneficial to demagnetize footholds. Most people acted like it was a ridiculous idea. I'm not sure if it's beneficial or not for footholds but I bet people may be more open about the thought now. I'm sure a lot of different factors would come into play with a trap being buried in different soils vs. a cage trap sitting on top of the ground.


I am bringing the cart before the horse, but when you understand how it works you will understand why some of the footholds seem to catch better than others. You will understand why some are upset when their product is copied. It all depends on how the device is made. Little changes make all the difference in the world. Most don't know why they are catching more, they just know what works better than others and follow what been working.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698968
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someone build an aluminium cage trap and see if that works


I have studied that many times and just haven't found it to be better.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: Kirk De] #6698971
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someone build an aluminium cage trap and see if that works


I have studied that many times and just haven't found it to be better.



It seems that would disprove the theory then as aluminium is Non-ferrous and has no magnetic field ?


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698988
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What put the icing on the cake for me was building a pyramid cage trap. It was quite a challenge, due to my parkinsons. Took me several weeks. The trap responded to the magnetometer same as the descriptions as to ion flow as described in the egyption pyramids. I found that with some traps, depending on design, have a more negative ion flow depending on whether the trap faces north. Some designs not all. Negative ions are good.The book explains why.

The pyramid design caught well but wasn't practical for trapping. It made a great compartment for live bait above the catching base. According to an electrical engineer, possibly dangerous in a storm.

Learning about pyramids is what gave me the foundation for the book.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6698990
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It seems that would disprove the theory then as aluminium is Non-ferrous and has no magnetic field ?


Having no field out put is not better. It is how the field is directed as explained in the book.


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6699112
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There’s obviously some coyotes that are sharper than others..


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6699209
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There’s a reason explained in the book why you able to catch those coyotes that you did


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Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6715574
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If you guys are pulling my leg with this magnetic field thing, that's not nice.

The state of Massachusetts did a study and it pretty clearly showed that traditional cage traps are not the way to catch coyote.

I'm wondering if I can make something akin to the pen or coral traps they use to catch hogs. Its not something I could relocate easily but if it worked I could just leave them in the few locations I trap and use them to catch the one or two coyote I could year after year. Basically a permanent cage trap 10x bigger than the ones in Trappercass's pics.

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6715734
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The zinc bar on crab pots slow down the erosion of the metal in brackish water. Been there, done that. MIT works but the crabs don’t care. A new pot will out catch an old pot though.

An old crabber we knew would soak a brick in kerosene and put it in his pot. Not scientific. When the crabs are thick and the bait is good, crabs will crawl over the bricks.

Re: Cage trap coyote? [Re: MAArcher] #6715810
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Stack hay around the Cage and put dirt in the floor... That would be your best chance IMO around here.
The reason one cage kept making catches had nothing to do with Magnetic Fields imo lol.. Just like Remakes that cage probably smelled like a coyote or critter, Makes it more appealing.
I'm gonna put some magnets under my Footholds this week to Debunk this "Theory"....Lol

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