Trapping BIG Predators - Added photos
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I just spent 2 weeks going through old 2x2 transparencies (slides) and digitizing them. Almost 18,000 slides. I scanned and digitized about 1 in every hundred. It was painful throwing the slides away after scanning, but these days, all but impossible to use them if they aren't digital. Anyway, came across some images that I thought some of you may enjoy. These are critters that I've trapped over the years for a variety of projects. Tigers, leopards, and brown bears were caught in foot snares. Cougars and wolves in MB750s. All are immobilized animals to be radio-collared and released or are photos of the animals before anesthesia. Hope you enjoy looking (I sure enjoy the trapping). Cougar in MB750, Idaho. Big male "blue" wolf in MB750, Idaho. Very large coastal brown bear in foot-snare. SE Alaska. Male Amur leopard in foot-snare. Russian Far East. Female Siberian tiger in foot-snare. Russian Far East. Sure has been a lot of fun over the years, but I still really enjoy catching skunks... Jack
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Those are awesome pictures. My kids enjoyed them all. Must have been something else walking in and seeing them all. Jon
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Thank you very much for sharing the cool pictures. Would love to see more if you get time. Mac
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Really cool!
I bet trapping yotes and other "normal" critters is boring after what you caught!!
Thanks for sharing.
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Just lovely, every one, Jack Love that shot of yourself and "big blue " every time. Cant get over how big he is....his head ! So glad you've been combing through all these . Every one is part of your life and history ...very worth while in categorizing, in digital form especially. Thanks for the share
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Beautiful photo thanks for sharing
I did the same thing and digitized all my slides, negatives and my photos and while I kept some of the photos I threw a lot away
It was almost physically painful to do so because so much of my life was in there but your right that there not very useful if not digital
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Thanks to all. It's been one heckuva ride over the past 50 years of chasing the predators. Actually, in complete honesty, I still really like each and every marten, red fox, striped skunk, and yodel-dog. Even the lowly muskrat and weasel still puts a grin on this old face. Don't think I could have asked for a better existence. At least in my mind, too, through nearly 50 years of research and fur-trapping, I am still humbled every day by the things that I don't fully understand. I'm still a babe in the woods, trying to learn more.
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white17 - In the second picture is "Garth", a St. Joe River wolf. Anyone else in the picture is unimportant.
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Very cool Jack, thanks for sharing, wish you were not at the other end of the country. Would be fun to have a cocktail and talk and listen to some of your adventures.
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Great pictures, thanks for posting.
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And to think, I get giddy ifn I catch a little coyote with no mange. Can't imagine the adrenaline of hooking on to those. Nice to have the pictures.
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white17 - In the second picture is "Garth", a St. Joe River wolf. Anyone else in the picture is unimportant.
Jack I wanted to say Garth, but I sensed your wording of him , and so I was careful to follow your lead in discernment ... Yes any info on darting , any thoughts and more photos you'd care to share would be so appreciated by this Tman Tribe. The pal with Garth is all important , too...such a million dollar smile !
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See the bear took two darts, lol. Insurance Amazing Work!!!
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Outstandingly cool!!
The head on that wolf is amazing, no wonder they have serious bite power!!
I never knew "regular" leopards made as far north as the Amur (knew about Amur tigers). That must be the most northern extent for leopards. Very neat!!
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I remember reading about a guy foot snaring grizzly bear for tagging, decades ago, maybe it was Gulo. I remember the big males were not taken lightly, and the catch circles were very impressive.
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I apologize for the length of this posting, but I wanted to answer questions from those that commented...
Trapper Dahlgren - I've been real lucky to work (and play) in various places. I have many hundreds of photos of various critters in traps. Any species in particular you're interested in seeing?
Jmack - Glad you showed the kids. They are our legacy. Thanks for the comments, man!
gryhkl - Thanks. One of these days I'll get around to posting a few more slides of other critters.
Taximan - Thanks Taxi. My trapping partner (aka wife) got a Canon Canoscan 9000F about a year ago. Works great. Will scan 4 slides at a time. Took me many days to go through 18,000 slides. I am very happy with the scanner though.
Boco - Thanks. I have always admired your posted photos and write-ups; thought I'd reciprocate a bit.
BernieB. - Tempting to think about the pelts I've handled (while still alive), but the thought of 100 years in a Russian gulag was somewhat of a deterrent.
Mac - Thanks, glad you enjoyed. I'll see what I can do about posting a few more.
btomlin - Yes, the entire time I was working on that (and other) tigers, the motor was running. They actually "purr" when under the anesthesia, but it's such a low frequency, you actually feel it rather than hear it.
bob1454 - Thanks. Glad you enjoyed.
imissed - No, I still get a kick outta pretty much every capture, from wolves to weasels. Not a one of them ever bores me. I'm fascinated with every catch (well, another skunk?).
Sharon - I'm still enamored with my little "junker" camera, and still take pictures almost every day on the line. I'm still trying to get a shot which is close to equal to your artwork. Someday, hopefully?
nightlife - Isn't scanning a PITA?Digitizing all those "heirloom" slides, then throwing away the originals? I agree. i almost dried as another 1000 slides went into the garbage. It's akin to throwing away my life's adventures.
lives2trap - You're welcome Sir!
Marathon - Peter Capstick? Naaaww. That guy could spin a fantastic yarn. I ain't even close to his calibre. I'm probably not fit to be his gunbearer.
Artrapper16 - You are correct. One of the papers I read before going to Russia to trap tigers was on the diet of the tigers. The authors listed "forest workers" as the third most important food item after Russian boar and red deer.
Wanna Be - Yes, the big brown bears often needed a double dose. Not so much for them, but for me.
Flipper 56 - I agree, Jeff. Too bad there's a thousand miles between us. I'd enjoy a wee toddy and hearing more about your "swimming with the beavers".
rick olson - You're very welcome for the share. Looking forward to hearing about your next adventure, sir!
Andy S, Wanna Be, 330-Trapper, and gdccowboy - Thanks guys, Appreciate it.
Pest's Dad - I know exactly what you mean. I have a Master Personal Banding Permit (mainly for gyrfalcon and other raptor work) but have done "ringing and flinging" of many thousands of passerines. Truly an enjoyable and worthwhile endeavor. The throw-springs I was using were Aldrich-type knock-offs.
NonPCfed - The Amur Leopard is very close to extinct. It is a subspecies, Panthera pardus orientalis. Probably less than 50 still in existence.
Wolfie - The Russian government wouldn't allow the use of foothold traps or foot-snares when I first arrived. They built monster wooden live-traps using local trees lashed together, which were a joke. Two months with no captures, then they agreed to let me use 3 foot-snares. Caught a leopard in less than two weeks (first Amur leopard ever live-trapped and collared), and they finally removed the restrictions.
EdP - Thanks, man! I've just (a week ago) finished a draft of a manuscript and sent it out to a friend to get his opinion on readability. I may publish that book, or it may be relegated to the garbage can. We'll see. If I go ahead with it, it'll probably be another 6 months before publication. I'm indeed working on that book.
Again, sorry for the length of this post....
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Awesome thread...if you could expand with more pictures that would be great! Every day on this site I am reminded how much cooler than me everyone is LOL
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Very nice. Thanks for posting
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Trapper Dahlgren - Nope never been to Africa. Too hot for me.
Metis - In Far Eastern Russia (Primorye Province and a tad bit into Khabarovski Province) the ranges of the tiger and the leopard overlap, and the tiger range goes a little farther north than the leopard. Where they live, not really boreal forest, per se. All us westerners are familiar with the terminology "Siberian Tiger", but their range really doesn't even go into Siberia. Both species live in Far Eastern Russia, not Siberia, and the tiger should be called the Amur Tiger (from the region and River of same name).
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The leopard takes the cake for me!
Thank you for taking the time to share, really nice. Gulo ever work with or encounter snow leopards in your travels I was lucky enough to do so, but never did get any photos I am just glad that my kids got to be there and also see them That was on the Tibetan plateau I love and am fascinated by all big cats but have to admit they are my favorite ones wish I would have had more time in the area to try for a photo opp Did get some good pictures of some Marco Polo sheep though
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Great photos . Bears butt dart board needs a few more !
Glad to hear about the book , I know it'll be a good read. See if you can convince " The Last Homesteader " to write one as well.
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Awesome pics, thanks for sharing jack.
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Thanks to all. It's been one heckuva ride over the past 50 years of chasing the predators. Actually, in complete honesty, I still really like each and every marten, red fox, striped skunk, and yodel-dog. Even the lowly muskrat and weasel still puts a grin on this old face. Don't think I could have asked for a better existence. At least in my mind, too, through nearly 50 years of research and fur-trapping, I am still humbled every day by the things that I don't fully understand. I'm still a babe in the woods, trying to learn more.
Jack Jack, From the flavor of your writings here, I can tell it would have been informational and inspirational to just carry your trapping bag on many of your adventures globally. Thank you for posting these sir. Mark
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That's some awesome stuff. You need to write a book! Exactly! Could be the trapper version of Man-Eaters of Kumaon.
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RM trapper - Thanks. For me, it's never gotten old or mundane. I still highly appreciate each and every capture, whether a wolf or a weasel. I'm with you. clintp1971 - I'll remember that sir. Hopefully, the book will continue to progress. Thanks. nightlife - I've never worked with snow leopards, unfortunately. I did a short stint in outer Mongolia with wolves, but not in the snow leopard mountains. Sharon - Always the poet. Love your posts, always. Minker - YES! A book from white17 would be a phenomenal read. I'll subtly push a bit, but you know he's periodically a bit surly and his propensity for word-play cause medical problems in the reader from an overabundance of levity. Rio - Estimating age of wolves is pretty straightforward (with practice) by examining the wear pattern on the central upper incisors. That wolf depicted above was 8 years old (prime of life). Mark June - One of these days, Mark, I'll mosey south and volunteer to carry your trapping bag and hopefully learn from the master! gryhkl - Compared with the every-day lives of 200 years ago here in Idaho, my adventures would undoubtedly pale. Sure has been fun though. Here's a couple more... This was a nice interior Alaska grizzly that was helicopter-darted, not trapped. Another small female cougar in Idaho. One of many wolves not appreciative of the trap on his foot. Jack
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More great shots, Jack ! So neat to know that tigers purr softly when they are under . Your wuff was talking to you
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white17 - Yeah Igor and I go way back. He said to pass on his thanks to you for giving him all the pointers on building helicoptersSaid he couldn't have managed the Sky Crane without your expertise.
And yes, at one point in my life, I did have hair covering my braincase.
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I couldn’t have asked for a better existence That’s deep. What a journey you’ve experienced. I told someone recently about your human evidence scale... the one about having to hike a minimum time without seeing evidence of another human with satellites excluded since nowhere on earth can they be avoided.... Thanks for sharing, I mean it. Jeff
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Gulo, fascinating post! Would you mind to tell more about the work your involved in and how it came to be. I'm assuming some type of biologist? Very interesting for sure.
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Hodagtrapper - Thanks Chris. Some early experiences I had with Marlin Perkins and others led me to avoidance of photographers and videographers. Seriously.
Aix - Mornin' Jeff. Yeah, that wasn't meant to be deep. I call that search for true wild country my "quest for thule". Still looking...
Scout1 - pm'd you sir.
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Good ole t-man. Never know what your gonna see or read. It was a honor to read and see the history, sir.
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The scope of talent and experience on this forum goes beyond comprehension. I am blown away by your photos and adventures....thanks so much for sharing them.
I'm just happy to be here! Today I'm as young as I'll ever be and and older than I've ever been before!
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Well Jack as everyone else has mentioned darn nice pictures and stories to go with them !
I'd enjoy being around when you and Ken were to get together for a visit along with some other colorful folks I'd bet it could be very educational to say the least.
My question is was there any animal or animals that were tougher than the rest to catch for you while doing research on them.
Thanks for your time. Allan
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Awesome pictures. Amazing work man.
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Thanks again all -
Allan - I'm a bit surprised that this question hasn't come up sooner regarding the toughest animal to trap. Yes, no question in my mind at all. For me at least, hands down, the grey wolf is the toughest to catch consistently. Sure, there are individuals out there that are not the sharpest knife in the drawer (just like humans or any other species), but on the other hand, there are also a relatively high proportion of Einsteins. They are what's kept me in the game for so long. Their intelligence coupled with their sense of smell, to me, is fascinating.
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Wow! Thank you for sharing with us such an amazing career Gulo. Incredible pictures and information!!
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
[Re: Gulo]
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Thanks again all -
Allan - I'm a bit surprised that this question hasn't come up sooner regarding the toughest animal to trap. Yes, no question in my mind at all. For me at least, hands down, the grey wolf is the toughest to catch consistently. Sure, there are individuals out there that are not the sharpest knife in the drawer (just like humans or any other species), but on the other hand, there are also a relatively high proportion of Einsteins. They are what's kept me in the game for so long. Their intelligence coupled with their sense of smell, to me, is fascinating.
Jack You should do an online wolf trapping education course, ide pay to watch it. Thank you for sharing the pics.
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
[Re: Gulo]
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01/07/20 01:43 PM
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Jack I find that very interesting that you said the grey wolf the one thing I've learned is that when you say this or that is a given is when that animal will change the game . What are your thoughts on foot snares for wolves not to replace foothold traps but in addition to them ?
I've yet to try seriously to catch a wolf because they are around but not very consistently here in Central Montana I've seen more wolves in Southeastern Montana which I've always thought was interesting because it's such open country. Thank you again for your time. Allan
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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What are your thoughts on foot snares for wolves not to replace foothold traps but in addition to them ? The only experience I have with foot-snares are the Aldrich-type. Because the throw-spring is necessarily above-ground, I think I'd be hard-pressed to catch many wolves in them. Simply too much scent and visual above-ground. If foot-holds are tuned correctly and are outfitted with drags, injuries are reduced to near-zero. For fur-trapping wolves, I pay attention to the injury factor just as much as with research trapping, as I generally sell to the taxi market, and cuts to feet cost me money. What was your capacity? Biologist? Working for DNR in the areas? My 11yr old son has got my trapping bug going again after a 14yr hiatus, I just showed him your pictures and I thought his eyes would bug out of his head. He proceeded to ask 100 questions in about 3min that I couldn't begin to answer. Please, please let us know when you have a book available! From 1971 to about 2008, I was an employee of various agencies, some private and some governmental. Since that time, I've been a private contractor for the most part. Most of my life has been spent in the research sector, but sometimes in the wildlife manager role. Always a wildlife biologist, I guess. Put your 11-yr-old on your computer and have him PM me with questions. I'll gladly take the time to answer! To me, correctly bringing up the next generation of trappers and biologists is vital to maintaining our way of life.
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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01/07/20 08:08 PM
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Jack which animal or animals were the easiest to catch while trapping professionally for research .
Allen - Good question again, sir. I would opine that the various bears have been the most straightforward. I've culvert-trapped lots of black bears and foot-snared interior grizzlies and coastal brown bears. Not really targeting them, but have also caught a few Himalayan bears (Asiatic black bears). Usually, with bears, it's been a target-rich environment, so the captures came relatively easy. However, if bears have been "introduced" to traps, they get smart real quick, and seem to remember. Similarly, the cats seem to be none-too-bright around traps, but their population densities, for the most part, have been really low, so captures were few and far between. Likewise with wolverines.I spent a couple summers (back in the Pleistocene) trapping badgers for research work, and found that spotllighting and running them down and hand-capturing was more efficient (there's some stories there)... Jack
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
[Re: Gulo]
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01/08/20 11:01 AM
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Thank you Jack for the insightful answers to my questions I agree a book about your life's adventure would be interesting I'd buy a copy . Of them were there any of them that for what ever reason you had to catch a second time for whatever a collar sending out a faulty signal or that decided to roam out of its normal range .
Hand capturing badgers huh ? Ken must have taught you well on the art of the paper bag methods ha ha Allan
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
[Re: Gulo]
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01/08/20 03:57 PM
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Incredible pictures of your trapping there Jack. Thank you so much for taking the time to share.
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
[Re: Gulo]
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01/08/20 04:31 PM
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Those are incredible photos!! I really appreciate you sharing them! I think about how fortunate I've been to trap several states and vastly different terrain and then realize I've only scratched the surface. Amazing, I hope you share some more.
When things are Grim, become the Grim Reaper! Fred Moyer
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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Of them were there any of them that for what ever reason you had to catch a second time for whatever a collar sending out a faulty signal or that decided to roam out of its normal range . Yes Allan. Recaptures are sometimes necessary for a variety of reasons. Usually, recaps of research animals are attempted after a couple years, as the transmitter batteries often times begin to fail. I've also had recaptures within a week that were inadvertent. Bears and cats are generally straightforward. Wolves, on the other hand, are sometimes problematic. Jack
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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01/13/20 06:51 PM
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Golf ball - "...it looks as if you haven’t worked a day in your life, and I congratulate you for it..." .
You are exactly correct Don. Other than a few meetings that I've been forced to attend, pretty much every day of my life has been fun. Often times I would "play" for 12-14 hours every day for weeks at a time, but it wasn't ever really a "job". I always claimed that I "worked for the resource, not for any agency."
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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01/30/20 08:38 PM
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Thanks for sharing Jack, your life has been truly amazing.
Common sense catches alot of fur.. Pay homage to all you harvest..
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
[Re: Gulo]
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02/22/20 01:39 PM
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Outstanding! Congrats on a super legacy! Nice to see pics from someone who has walked the walk!!!
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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Gulo, Those are simply amazing photos sir. I thought a mountain lion was big. Your kitties wouldn't know they tripped over a 100 lb. kitty.
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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Good stuff Jack. Appreciate you sharing the great pictures. Mac
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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Thanks for sharing Jack, your life has been truly amazing. X1000
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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Gulo a short Bio would be great. Where did you grow up? What got you interested in trapping ?
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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12/08/21 09:15 AM
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Gulo you are quite the adventurer thanks for sharing.
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
[Re: Gulo]
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12/08/21 11:27 AM
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My word, Jack.......it occurred to me after reading your book, that you personally have likely trapped more species of predator than any other living person! Possibly even any person ever............
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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12/08/21 12:58 PM
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Was 1971 the beginning of your career? How did you get the reputation that allowed you to be a private contractor? Was it risky working in Russia? Did you ever get stiffed by any foreign country that contracted you? The private contracting side of wildlife management doesn't seem to be very common or at least well known of. I believe you were the area bio in McGrath for some years, correct? You retired from the state of Alaska? Thanks for the pics and info. We are reading your book before it's published it appears. Jack's new book that has been out now for a while covers all of this and more.
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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12/08/21 08:51 PM
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Big thanks to Sharon and white17 for posting info about the book. Was 1971 the beginning of your career? How did you get the reputation that allowed you to be a private contractor? Was it risky working in Russia? Did you ever get stiffed by any foreign country that contracted you? The private contracting side of wildlife management doesn't seem to be very common or at least well known of. I believe you were the area bio in McGrath for some years, correct? You retired from the state of Alaska? Thanks for the pics and info. We are reading your book before it's published it appears. martentrapper - Yes, 1971 was when I was first hired and actually paid (I think it was $300 per month). I've been doing contract work periodically for many decades, To be accepted as a wildlife contractor, unfortunately, most agencies seem to want a whole list of peer-reviewed publications from noted journals. In my opinion, that publication history is looked upon as more important than work history, work ethic, past capture results, or other criteria that really mean something. When I was living in Russia (1993 and 1994), and when I returned to hunt (up to 2001), I wouldn't consider it "risky". Difficult? Yes, unquestionably. The early years, just finding enough food was a tremendous hassle. Obtaining maps, for instance, was another pain, hassling with KGB, GRU, and Russian Mafia. Payola (for just about everything) was standard practice, but it was all above-board. I could easily fill a book with stories of constant bribery and payola situations, sometimes quite uncomfortable, and, in retrospect, somewhat scary. It was demanded by the US consulate in Vladivostok that I stay in constant contact with them. As it was quite impossible for me to do so (where I lived, there was only one telephone in the area), I got in trouble with the consulate folks when I told them that I really didn't want their "protection", so I was literally on my own. I've never actually contracted with a foreign government. It's always been an American entity that I've worked for, so I've not been stiffed yet. I've never actively pursued contracts to work overseas. The agencies doing the research (usually NGOs) have always initiated the contact. I've done a fair amount of consulting for foreign work where I didn't actually go to a foreign land and do work, but rather I've formulated detailed plans for them to do the actual work. Mostly, I've done this gratis, just trying to help out various wildlife populations. Yes, I was the Area Management Biologist in McGrath (for GMUs 19 and 21A and 21E) for 13 years, and the AB for Unit 4 in Sitka for another 5 years. Prior to McGrath, I was a research biologist in Glennallen, and after 2003, I was back in the ressearch arena for ADF&G based in Fairbanks. I did indeed retire from ADF&G in 2008, and have been contracting for various outfits since that time, doing work in Idaho, Wyoming, Montana, and Mongolia. Hope this answers most of your questions. Hit me if things aren't too clear. Jack
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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12/08/21 10:06 PM
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A good way to support our fellow trapper/biologist/friend Jack, is to leave some reviews on his life experiences in this book on the link provided that Sir Ken posted . I thought it appropriate and did so today. In customer reviews there is a bar to click, to give yours . Many people, myself included, decide their interest, seeing reviews of other reader's summery. Many more need to be moved to enjoy the rye....er wry humor unique to this eclectic individual , as we all have
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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12/08/21 10:18 PM
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order sent, and thanks for the info on buying the book. Cant wait.....jk
Free people are not equal. Equal people are not free. What's supposed to be ain't always is. Hopper Hunter
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Re: Trapping BIG Predators
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order sent, and thanks for the info on buying the book. Cant wait.....jk Same here I had forgotten about it. Thanks White and Sharon
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