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hound coyote hunters?? #6719305
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Just curious of how many of you in your area have coyote hunters that use hounds? Approx how many they kill a year? and your relationship with them?

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: lindner115] #6719322
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Never heard of anybody doing it around here.

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: lindner115] #6719370
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We have a fair amount, one group kills a lot and the others seem to kill 10 or more. Don't really have a relationship but one thing most people don't agree with is dogs cant follow property lines so will run though anyones land with or without permission.

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: lindner115] #6719377
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I have 3 different groups of them around me. Don't think they kill a huge number. They mainly hunt on Sunday's. Believe it or not, I have been refused permission to trap many times because the landowner has given permission to the dog hunters.

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: shortliner16] #6719382
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Originally Posted by shortliner16
We have a fair amount, one group kills a lot and the others seem to kill 10 or more. Don't really have a relationship but one thing most people don't agree with is dogs cant follow property lines so will run though anyones land with or without permission.


Same here. We have a few groups of them. They seem to disregard property lines quite a bit. The shooters won't trespass, but they'll run their dogs through entire sections. Can always tell when they are in a section, there'll be 10 or so trucks and a bunch of guys with AR's standing around.

I have not had any direct contact with them. I always leave a section I am rabbit hunting in if they show up. Not sure what their dogs are like and don't want to find out.

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: shortliner16] #6719409
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Originally Posted by shortliner16
We have a fair amount, one group kills a lot and the others seem to kill 10 or more. Don't really have a relationship but one thing most people don't agree with is dogs cant follow property lines so will run though anyones land with or without permission.


Same here. Most of the time the hunters attitude is that they've been doing it for so long they don't need to ask. I've had sets destroyed by catching one of their dogs and the hunters don't hesitate to show their disapproval of me trapping their coyotes. I have no problem sharing property and make every effort to make myself available should they wish to hunt an area that I am trapping/snaring on but it appears to be too much effort to call ahead. Luckily I have yet to catch a dog in a snare but just know when I do, it'll be my fault and the trouble will begin. All part of the game I guess....


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The facts are we are all in this together whether one person or side likes it or not. I hound hunt and trap the same areas. If a man is legally hunting or trapping it’s of no concern to me. Bad apples on both sides will ruin it for everyone. Dogs can’t read and I do everything I can to stay off peoples property. My home butts up against large public land and occasionally others dogs come through or tree on my property. If they are respectful we have no problem. My state fortunately has small trap size restrictions and with laminated jaws I’ve yet to see one of mine hurt in my own traps. A little understanding from both sides would go a long way in helping us all keep our right to hunt and trap.

Another note, very few people are hunting or trapping all over the country nowadays. This generation will be the last that gets to do it if we can’t unite and help promote one another and quit bickering over who’s way is more important, more ethical, requires more skill, etc....

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Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: lindner115] #6719459
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Have a group near me that runs them hard all winter....pushing a 100 a year. We get along fine, informally let me know what area they plan to run and I tell them roughly where my snares are. We have had no issues. I stopped by one night and showed them how I take out the ear cartridge and one of the guys sent me home with two brand new coyote boards in thanks.

Some of those old boys amaze me when they are listening to the hounds tongue, tell you exactly how far away it is, which way its moving and give you better then even odds on where you should be standing when that coyote pops out. Like one of the old fellas said back in his working days if he crossed tracks on the way to work, he turned around and got his dogs because he made more off the pelt then he did at work!

Never did ask what he did though wink

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: lindner115] #6719461
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Ok, thanks for the replies, This has not been and don't want this to be a hound bashing conversation. But, I relate to many of these valid points, and it can be very frustrating. I have a couple boys i'm trying to teach more traditional ways of doing things, and they are loving it, and lets just say a lot of what they do hampers our efforts. I would say of 3-4 groups in a 25 mile radius in a year with good snow can kill over 200 coyotes. I know coyotes kill many fawns, so yes lets knock them back, but a lot of folks got everyone believing they are the devil reincarnated. Like everyone literally hates, and i mean HATE them and has no respect for them. In my opinion if you don't respect an animal you are not a true hunter or conservationist. i guess a problem we have is we have a lot of hunters who are not conservationists, and I'm not labeling houndsmen, just making a general assumption.

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: Ghost14] #6719480
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Originally Posted by Ghost14
The facts are we are all in this together whether one person or side likes it or not. I hound hunt and trap the same areas. If a man is legally hunting or trapping it’s of no concern to me. Bad apples on both sides will ruin it for everyone. Dogs can’t read and I do everything I can to stay off peoples property. My home butts up against large public land and occasionally others dogs come through or tree on my property. If they are respectful we have no problem. My state fortunately has small trap size restrictions and with laminated jaws I’ve yet to see one of mine hurt in my own traps. A little understanding from both sides would go a long way in helping us all keep our right to hunt and trap.

Another note, very few people are hunting or trapping all over the country nowadays. This generation will be the last that gets to do it if we can’t unite and help promote one another and quit bickering over who’s way is more important, more ethical, requires more skill, etc....


X2...

Running hounds is just as much as a tradition as trapping...I do both to extremes. Unfortunately, both are getting harder and harder every year. Everyone owns 5 acres and the almighty trophy deer has everyone's panties in a wad. Turn the hunter against the trapper and it just will die faster. As if the anti's aren't bad enough, we fight amongst ourselves.

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: lindner115] #6719500
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They use sight hounds around here to catch them. Its basically hunt them with truck then when you get on top of them send the dogs. Have several friends that run greyhounds and have hunted with probably a dozen different guys. Some are respectful of property rights and some not so much. When you add a truck to part of the hunting gear it can bring out some people that normally wouldn't hunt.

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: Yes sir] #6719507
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Originally Posted by Yes sir
When you add a truck to part of the hunting gear it can bring out some people that normally wouldn't hunt.


Well said, that is a tradition I don't want any part of. And is just going to cause trouble for the rest of us in the long run. When i set traps i try to be out of sight of roads and general public, do i have to by law, absolutely not, but we are all better off if we do. These road hunters are not out of view of general public and it is just a matter of time. I'm not lumping everyone together here, but we all know the type.

I dont view this as fighting amongst ourselves, but as having a conversation about a controversial subject.

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: lindner115] #6719607
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[/quote]I dont view this as fighting amongst ourselves, but as having a conversation about a controversial subject. [/quote]

I'm fine with others doing their own thing weather deer,pheasant or coyote hunting as long as they respect me and what I'm doing. I've always told the LO's that if someone else wants to hunt to let me know so we can avoid any potential problems. Last thing I want is to hear of someone's dog getting hurt or worse. No one wins if that happens!


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i dont think it should be illegal but hunting coyotes with coursing hounds is not for me. i wont go again


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Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: LDW] #6720072
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Originally Posted by LDW
Believe it or not, I have been refused permission to trap many times because the landowner has given permission to the dog hunters.


I've been told that a few times too. Landowner will say "Nope, so and so got all the coyotes cleaned out of here last year." Ummm…..NO. They maybe got 2 out of the section and I can see tracks everywhere this year.

I put up fur for a few hound guys. I like them and their permissions are in order. I just have no interest in doing it or going with.

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: lindner115] #6721736
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We have some hound hunters around here, but it seems the land is fragmented such that it'd be hard to keep hounds off of posted property.

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We have a couple of groups in my area that kill upwards of 100 each winter. They have had their problems with trespassing, but most people here are happy they are killing them.

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Like anything there’s the good and bad. Have three groups of them right where I am. I’ve enjoyed going with one group since I was a kid. I’ve been with them when they didn’t catch any and I’ve been with them when they had 13 by noon. This year they got antsy and were out before the snow. Had all three groups run over the top of me checking traps at some point.

I prefer the hound hunters to the shotgunners. At least the coyotes still stand a chance I’ve seen many times they hit a brush pile or pond spill way tube to beat the dogs. They’ll leave them for the next round. The shotgunners are worse. They’ll run them right through cattle, fences, and there’s little chance if the coyote gets out and runs it lives. They’re not much against a truck and I’ve seen guys do things you wouldn’t imagine chasing coyotes. The most I’ve personally seen the shotgunners kill in one day was 34. I’m sure they’ve had better days.


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We have a small group around my area and i find it hard to set some spots due to them running dogs and me not wanting the hassle of catching their dogs. I will say they must be doing something wrong cause i have gone with them on a few occasions just to see what it was all about and never saw a coyote. So the guys putting up nu.bers are either in heavily populated areas or they are just that good or both.

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Around here they hound hunt for bobcats. Now they want to start hound hunting fisher.

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Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: Terrence j] #6723005
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Originally Posted by Terrence j
We have a small group around my area and i find it hard to set some spots due to them running dogs and me not wanting the hassle of catching their dogs. I will say they must be doing something wrong cause i have gone with them on a few occasions just to see what it was all about and never saw a coyote. So the guys putting up nu.bers are either in heavily populated areas or they are just that good or both.


Hound hunting is no different than any other hunting, there are good dogs and bad. Good hunters and bad. Heavy game populations will make hunters and dogs alike look much better than they are. On the same token, bad conditions and lack of game or game movement can make a good one look poor. I don’t coyote hunt my dogs but I bear, hog, and coon hunt them and have in several different states. If I kill 50 coons a year hear at home I’ve done something. I’ve treed that many in a week in other places. Some places or times of year bear and hogs will run all day, other places they pop up like coons and bay up at the first contact a dog makes. 99% of people that complain about hounds or don’t agree with it will never understand it or what it takes to make a top tier hound or houndsmen. Read the 1000 coyote post. I know many houndsmen that go that hard 11 months of the year and their dog power shows it. I have to hunt 3-4 days a week 10 months of the year to keep mine in shape and at the level I expect them to be. Although, I have no problems sharing the woods with trappers as I hobby trap some myself. Why should trappers expect houndsmen to stay out of their way. It’s the same old selfish attitude that deer hunters have and Floridians that own 1 acre in the middle of a thousand. We will dismantle ourselves from the inside. If trappers or houndsmen get shut down the other one will be soon to follow!

Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: lindner115] #6723007
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Coon dogs don't seem common around here anymore, presumably largely b/c of coon prices.

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Originally Posted by AJE
Coon dogs don't seem common around here anymore, presumably largely b/c of coon prices.


Prices mean little to hounds men. Dogs run a $0.50 coon just as hard as they run a $50 coon. And the music is the same too. That's what matters to the real hound guy.

Dogs live 12 plus years. Hide prices fluctuate a lot in that amount of time. You just don't sell the dogs when prices go down! I always have at least three broke dogs and several upcoming prospects. Good dogs aren't trained, they're born.

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Pulled all my traps a couple weeks ago for some coon hunters coming in. Best thing is, I get to join along and see where the den trees are!! I trap private land and don’t mind pulling or tripping when the mangers ask me if it would be a problem. I seem to have better luck when moving around anyways. 2-3 weeks at one then 2-3 weeks at another then back.

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Mostly competition type hunters around here. They'll kill one occasionally, or the dogs will actually. Mostly they don't want to kill them though. They just wanna run the dogs and listen to the hunt. I enjoy the dogs, and have dog hunted myself (before I found trapping). I'm not allowed on some property because they hunt it. They aren't allowed on some property I trap, but the dogs don't know that. Mostly, I have lots of property their dogs are liable to tree on or run through. Personally, I don't care. I think there's stuff the dogs will get that I won't catch, and stuff I'll catch that the hunters won't kill. My issue is only when my equipment is damaged or stolen. Other outdoorsmen, with other methods, are just a fact of outdoor life.


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My brother does and gets quite a few.


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Are these same hounds that run yotes very effective at coon, bear, or bobcat? Maybe they specialize, I'm not sure. Must take a lotta $ to keep those dogs fed year round. They sure do bark. Got a a group of them living by where I'm trapping right now. Seems like they bark hours on end.

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Originally Posted by AJE
Are these same hounds that run yotes very effective at coon, bear, or bobcat? Maybe they specialize, I'm not sure. Must take a lotta $ to keep those dogs fed year round. They sure do bark. Got a a group of them living by where I'm trapping right now. Seems like they bark hours on end.

No.Diffrent type of dogs


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I bet there are good ones, but not where I live. I don’t have enough fingers and toes to count the number of my fences that have been run through with coyote pickups. Plus it is impossible in our country to run a coyote and not trespass. I’ve seen catch dogs kill farm dogs. Chase dogs kill them selves jumping ditches, or badly injure them selves in barbwire fences and the owners just drive off without them. I can’t put in words how much I dislike the ones we have. Although the last couple years it has really slowed down. Just like anything a couple bad apples can really spoil things.


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Originally Posted by Pawnee
it is impossible in our country to run a coyote and not trespass.

This has been my opinion too, although I've never proven it.

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We have a few groups in sw wi, one gets roughly 50-60 a year. our main issue is trespassing and them thinking they have the right. the other issue is they are never out of their truck which causes issues with actually shooting the coyotes. The trespassing issue could be alleviated by them dropping their arrogant attitude and just politely talking to the land owners if they need to get a dog. other than this im glad they do it and reduce the numbers.
On a side note I did try to talk to the leader about the attitude and trespassing issue and that if he'd just be a little more courtious to land owners he'd get a lot more people on his side. I think it fell on deaf ears but I tried

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Never heard of any groups here. Mostly they run hounds after deer on public land all during gun season


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Hounds to chase deer...now that is a new 1

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4 dedicated groups by me. They run dogs from end of deer season to April. Best one will get around 150 & the rest will get about 70 each. They usually hunt every day.

Same thing here about property lines. Most try to keep their dogs on the right property some don’t. It usually the weekend guy that shows up with no dogs, “hunts” from the road that causes the problems. Some just don’t think. Don’t stop in front of someone’s house, don’t block traffic, etc. some of the hound gus are thinking of not running dogs on the weekends because of this.

Yep, I’ve been denied permission to because of hounds too



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Re: hound coyote hunters?? [Re: AJE] #6742026
01/24/20 08:32 AM
01/24/20 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by AJE
Hounds to chase deer...now that is a new 1


Pretty common in several southern states.


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