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there are so many dogs without owners because the new in thing is no kill. were not such a problem when counties ran things. no body claimed a dog in 3 days it was killed and incinerated. if you wanted one it didnt cost hundreds of dollars.


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"the homeless-animal crisis"

too bad they aren't working to solve the homeless-people crisis first


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we didnt have a homeless people problem till Reagan cut off all the funding to mental institutions and dumped them all out on the street.


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Poor dog!


No, the dog is already used to scavageing and crapping on the sidewalk


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Yeah danny thats it.......... crazy
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
we didnt have a homeless people problem till Reagan cut off all the funding to mental institutions and dumped them all out on the street.

I believe the blame for that lays with the courts.

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Coinciding with a movement during the 1970s for rehabilitation of people with severe mental illnesses, the Mental Health Systems Act supported and financed community mental health support systems, which coordinated general health care, mental health care, and social support services.[2] The law followed the 1978 Report of the President's Commission on Mental Health, which made recommendations for improving mental health care in the United States. While some concerns existed about the methodology followed by the President's Committee, the report served as the foundation for the MHSA, which in turn was seen as landmark legislation in U.S. mental health policy.[3]

The Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act of 1981, signed by President Ronald Reagan on August 13, 1981, repealed most of the MHSA. The Patients' Bill of Rights, section 501, was not repealed; per Congressional record, the Congress felt that state provisions were sufficient and section 501 served as a recommendation to states to review and refine existing policies.[4]


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Originally Posted by Okie Farmer
Originally Posted by danny clifton
we didnt have a homeless people problem till Reagan cut off all the funding to mental institutions and dumped them all out on the street.

I believe the blame for that lays with the courts.

I believe danny is right, Reagan played a huge role in it starting as Governor of Cali.


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Just remember, the MHSA plan that was not implemented was just a governmental plan. Even if fully funded and implemented there is no guarantee that mental health issues in the US would be less troublesome than they are now. Possible but not probable. Addiction is a huge part of homelessness that might not have been affected at all.

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Nope,started with Kennedy.
He had a sister in one. Rosemary I think?

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No matter what she got if PETA ever got a hold of it they would kill it, PETA says a lot yet they have no shelters and kill about every animal the get their hands on. Read up on PETA kills.


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ART S your article says reagan cut the funding. Congress passed it and Reagan signed it. He had support but the bottom line is he signed it. Without federal funding states were forced to turn away the mentally ill. My oldest daughter is a nurse. Worked at the state hospital here for years. One of the reasons she quit is the revolving door policy. People get in trouble and law enforcement hauls them to the hospital. They drug them and get them back on track. usually about two weeks then they are kicked out and it repeats.

people dont choose mental illness. mentally healthy people do choose not to work. guess who gets the money now.


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Got an animal shelter here that is no kill. Its a joke. Try to haul in a cage trap full of feral cats they will only take them if you give them a bunch of money. Meanwhile the people who support those things get all fired up if somebody kills feral cats or dogs they trap in their yard let alone in the wild.

I still don't know who decided that getting a new pet means you "adopted" an animal. Just more of the nut cases desire to give animals human attributes.

That no kill shelter sterilizes every dog and cat they get their hands on. I am surprised nobody has sued them for it yet. More than one hound is now fat and lazy because it was taken to the shelter rather than calling the owner on the collar tag phone #.

So to go there and get a pet is no cheaper than a pet store.

Even the old county dog pound would call a phone# on dogs collar.


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He refunded the state's in the 1986 act also mentioned in Arts link Danny.

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Long to short.........Kennedy wanted the feds to take over as did carter, but Reagan pushed it back to the state's with federal helping fund it.

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In 67 Reagan signed the Lanterman Petris Short Act. While it was good on one hand because it made due process available for people who were accused by family of being mentally ill, it also doubled the number of mentally ill in the criminal justice system the following year. Then, they were released out to the streets.


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Amusing how a thread about AOC morphed into one about mental health. wink

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Could be catch, but he didn't close down state institutions country wide. States did that.

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Originally Posted by corky
Amusing how a thread about AOC morphed into one about mental health. wink



At least everyone knows her problem! wink

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Could be catch, but he didn't close down state institutions country wide. States did that.

In a round about way he did, imo hip. But corky is right lol, we turned this into a mental health thread. I think it's probably because when one thinks about AOC, you automatically think of a whackado. grin


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Originally Posted by Catch22
In 67 Reagan signed the Lanterman Petris Short Act. While it was good on one hand because it made due process available for people who were accused by family of being mentally ill, it also doubled the number of mentally ill in the criminal justice system the following year. Then, they were released out to the streets.


So, your against people having due process when accused?

How about the red flag law?

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Originally Posted by Catch22
In 67 Reagan signed the Lanterman Petris Short Act. While it was good on one hand because it made due process available for people who were accused by family of being mentally ill, it also doubled the number of mentally ill in the criminal justice system the following year. Then, they were released out to the streets.


So, your against people having due process when accused?

How about the red flag law?

No, don't start that with me lol, you can clearly see I said due process was a good thing. I will highlight it for you lol. The reason I say Reagan in a round about way had a effect on the whole Country (and this is as President not to be confused with him as Gov) is the Omnibus he signed in 81 shifted funding to the States as block grants. This made the mental health centers compete for funding with economic development, housing etc and the mental health centers would loose out to them. He may have not made the sausage per say, but he owned the butcher shop, imo.


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I didn't start it, you drug that into it!

Thought you were all for states rights? You should be happy he sent it back to the states, with money to do as they wish.

Look some more, he might've pooped his pants when he was little.

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I am a lover of both States Rights and Due Process. I loves me some Freedom. I do think though that Reagan pulled a Pelosi on that Omnibus. You know, sign it first then we'll read it lol. That Act was set up for a predetermined failure and succeeded as such. You are right though, in the end the States called the ball, the only ball they had to play with.


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
there are so many dogs without owners because the new in thing is no kill. were not such a problem when counties ran things. no body claimed a dog in 3 days it was killed and incinerated. if you wanted one it didnt cost hundreds of dollars.

But it's getting up there pretty quick. Over a $100 at the Humane Society here, unless you'll take a very old animal or one with health issues, or you're an old geezer.


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Has anyone been to a shelter lately and seen what they have to offer? Doesnt seem like you are going to get a nice young healthy dog to often from a shelter unless you want a pitbull, infact that is about all I see the shelters trying to get rid of, Pits and cats.

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Catch , in 1981 the d's had control of The House and they held The Senate with a
super majority , so Reagan could have read every word twice over , he just couldn't do much about it .


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Catch , in 1981 the d's had control of The House and they held The Senate with a
super majority , so Reagan could have read every word twice over , he just couldn't do much about it .


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Well, he could have not signed it lol. It's the thought that matters.


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
we didnt have a homeless people problem till Reagan cut off all the funding to mental institutions and dumped them all out on the street.


What? Do you not know the history? It's the afl/cio who sued saying paintlickers and bed wetters have to be turned loose because they have "rights". They may not know what planet they're on but they got rights. Dumped them on families that couldn't care for them but okay we'll give them a crazy check to make up for it.

But I guess the simple short answer is that it's Trump's fault (plug in the R that fits).

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Originally Posted by BigBob
Originally Posted by danny clifton
there are so many dogs without owners because the new in thing is no kill. were not such a problem when counties ran things. no body claimed a dog in 3 days it was killed and incinerated. if you wanted one it didnt cost hundreds of dollars.

But it's getting up there pretty quick. Over a $100 at the Humane Society here, unless you'll take a very old animal or one with health issues, or you're an old geezer.


If you want to adopt go to the POUND not a shelter.
To clarify , the pound is where the town/city takes strays. This is a local government funded building with a dog catcher/ACO who works there taking care of the animals.
A shelter is different. This is run by rescue groups and volunteers.
The lines can be blurred sometimes.

Here is the difference , a pound will allow you to adopt out fairly easily and at low cost. Sometimes as little as $5-$10. There is little requirements to be allowed to adopt. Kinda like " can you care for the animal ? " " do you have a place to keep the animal ? " " Do you know how to take care of the animal? " please sign here and give us our small fee.

Now a shelter is way , way different. These are run by well meaning folks that get twisted by animal rights groups. They will make you fill out a multi page application with evasive questions and requirements. There are many things that they use to deny you an adoption. Already have 1-2 dogs ? Denied. Don't have the perfect home for the animal ? Denied. If you just look wrong , denied. Just utter the term 'declawed' when looking for a cat , denied. Even admit you once owned a declawed cat , denied. Problem with most shelter employees is they think everyone is an animal abuser and trust hardly anybody. Plus a lot of shelters will make you sign a statement that they are allowed to show up at your home any time to inspect and if need be remove the animal on the merest infraction. Moving out of the area after owning the animal for years , you are required to surrender it back. They can't monitor it anymore. Sad to think that after you have given it a loving home for years and bonded with it , it now goes back into a cage at the shelter. How is that good for an animal? It's not. It's good for the wacked people who run some of these places. Plus , shelters get real high fees , $100 or more. In my area it is closer to $200+ Want a puppy or kitten ? $300. Cat rescue groups are known for finding feral cat colonies and only capturing the kittens. They are worth money , the older adult cats , no.

If you have anything to donate , give it to the pound. Not the shelter. The pound/ACO scratches for every dollar they have at their disposal. This is usually one of the first things that takes a hit come budget time for towns. ACO's work very hard and get very little respect.


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How do you adopt an animal? You can take ownership. Either through purchase or a gift, but adoption is what you do with an orphaned human child. When you adopt a child you agree to be that childs parents no matter what problems may pop up. Saying adoption where an animal is concerned is just more animal rights tripe.


For 300 dollars you can get a well bred registered puppy of hunting stock. A kennel will SELL it to you. It becomes your PROPERTY.


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The fact of the matter is, PETA wants that French bulldog killed. They do not believe in pets. Pets=slavery.

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Originally Posted by 52Carl
The fact of the matter is, PETA wants that French bulldog killed. They do not believe in pets. Pets=slavery.

100% true.

https://www.petakillsanimals.com/


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Re: PETA vs AOC [Re: Muskrat] #6729563
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Originally Posted by Muskrat
"the homeless-animal crisis"

too bad they aren't working to solve the homeless-people crisis first

I thought thats what the democrats are all for, ya know like the country of california!!! HAHAHA

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