It's a big topic that one must read everything in its whole context and study it to grasp the answer to the question. My take without studying it deeper and getting into a deep answer is it is wrong to take advantage of the needy for ones gain especially a brother in Christ. And when I say needy I mean someone that is in a desperate situation that is coming to you for help.

Danny may I ask you why you asked this question?

no 330 i am not. Paradoxs like this are one of the reasons i do not

wild unbelievable stories are another.


How about Lot? Told to flee Sodom or Gomorrah, I forget now which, and don't look back. Lots wife was turned into a pillar of salt for looking. So Lot and his daughters move into a cave and Lot impregnates both daughters. Apparently that was OK or least nobody was struck dead over it.

I keep thinking about the Indians who set a couple priests on fire after being told about Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. I bet those priests were doubting pretty good about the time their toenails burned off.

I like the way the old testament laws always get quoted.

Yes Sir, its snowing hard, all my traps are pulled and I thought of it reading the post on mortgages . I had to order some new pans from MTP and I will get back to trapping soon enough. Have a good bunch that have been hanging outside for a couple months. I got the ones I just pulled washed and tuned except 3 that need new pans. They are on 650's that are probably 20 years old. The back of the pans wore and they wont stay set unless I increase pan tension to an unacceptable level.

I'll just say that there are a lot of unbelievable stories that can be proved both in the Bible and real life. A bias man rarely seeks or finds the truth. I know because I can be quite bias sometimes.

Danny have fun working on the traps just cold here no snow to speak of.

Sorry Danny. I'm not trying to argue.
I probably take it a little too personally sometimes....and not the bible, either.
We woke up here to snow and -8 windchill which is actually not a big deal but its first weve seen so far this season, been so mild and dry I think most folks around here forgot how normal cold should be for us this time of year.
How's kansas this morning, danny?
Jim

Eternity believingseeking and trying for God is fine With me....rather Live for God Believing in Him...than wish I had 5 minutes into Eternity.

When the Holy Spirit knocks Danny, I hope you heed. Its a wonderous. Thing!

because the old testament is basically insane and impossible to defend, you can bait Christians into an indefensible position by getting them to defend things like burning bushes leading to the promise land.

King James Version of the Bible it is translated as: Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
John_20:29

Usury used to be defined in my state's law as charging excessive interest, established by our legislature as more than five points above the rate charged member banks by the Federal Reserve. Even at the high rates of interest prevailing at the time, the usury rate was in the 10-12 percent range. Most state laws provided similar limits.

Beginning in the late '90s, as I recall, interstate banks lobbied Congress to preempt state law on the subject, with the result that credit card banks can now charge loan-shark rates that might have put their officers in jail before.

Jim

In 1954 I was in Topeka, Kansas, having been discharged from the Air Force there. Maximum legal interest rate for personal loans at the time was something like 15%. Kansas then raised that rate to, as best I remember, about 28%. Almost immediately like black magic, personal loan offices opened by the dozens all over Topeka.

What was a sin, is today seen as acceptable, by many who claim "Christianity" as their faith, about MANY topics. Even things described by God as abominations are now accepted, even uplifted in many of today "church" buildings. I'm not judging anyone, I'm not pointing fingers, I'm not trying to argue about the topic. I responded to Danny's question, and that was it. There are so many conflicting views, ideas, interpretations among today's "Christians" that it isn't as though someone can grab up a Gideon's Bible, begin reading, and have a clear idea of what Christianity is, because it doesn't seem to fit most "Christians" today. Even "Christians" can't seem to agree on what God meant, and so there are more denominations and non-denomination "Churches" than a fella can count. Who is to be believed? All say they are right, and others are wrong.

Even with Danny's question, he got multiple views of the subject, but wasn't many that thought he could just take it the way he read it. Most thought it required serious research and interpretation. Others, it just didn't apply, because God set new terms. Whatever a man believes or doesn't believe is between him and God. What he does is who he is though. What he says means little, if his actions prove otherwise. The bible says, you shall know a tree by it's fruit. In my opinion, the orchard is full of trees, but most aren't bearing edible fruit.

God didn't kill Cain either, who killed his own brother.

And he allowed Satan to nearly destroy "Righteous Job".

Maybe an ancient text, written in an foreign language, roughly 1/3 of which is poetry, might be more than a light read?

Why do you cut down a tree, drag it in your house, and and decorate it, to not celebrate Christ's birthday during the winter solstice? I don't do that. Why do you?

Perhaps you are looking in the wrong place for answers.

or maybe i already know what i believe and just like to see what others say


yes i put a xmas tree for grandkids. i like xmas. not for religious reasons but a family get together, feast and gift exchange

I guess it's easier to belief once upon a time there was a big bang and everything came into being. Of course where the material in the big bang came from ? Lets face it we can debate forever but what we think is what we think.

i dont know how you can believe in the big bang theory rex. i am skeptical. there is some evidence that our galaxy is expanding though.

Guess you aren't really after truth then.

Just like to stir the pot.

Not saying I believe it was just putting it out there.

I know a woman raised in a jehovah witneses family. When she was a little girl they trotted her out regular to "witness". She got baptized when she was 12-14 whatever it was. She later rejected the religion. Her Mom and Dad will pretend they don't see her if they meet in a grocery store now. Same with the rest of the cult. What "truth" is there in that? The truth in their prophecy's that never happened I'd say.

I'm not one. Sorry for her though.