Re: Sex on the table
[Re: gryhkl]
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01/14/20 09:48 PM
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Cameron Kelsey
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I'm sure some republicans would like to see Trump Impeached and some Democrat voters do not.It is ludicrous to think otherwise. Where does this cookie cutter attitude come from,thinking that all people who vote one way or the other all have the same views on all things depending on how they vote?Thats nuts.Lots of people will vote for different parties throughout their life. The politicians count on the low hanging fruit because they don't have to do anything to get the vote of a group thinker. Trump knew that when he switched his position on abortion. And, though he has never been anti 2nd, most would condemn a democrat for saying, "I generally oppose gun control, but I support the ban on assault weapons and I also support a slightly longer waiting period to purchase a gun.", and condemned republicans who "walked the line of the NRA". It should surprise free-thinking, individualists, who love the freedom we find in the outdoors that so many of us believe we all must think the same on every issue. It's anti-American to follow either party and pledge one's allegiance to it. And the funny part is that such folks don't see the irony when they call others "sheep"...gives a little insight into the depth of their think. Spot on.
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Re: Sex on the table
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01/14/20 09:53 PM
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Boco
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Edifying as well as satisfying. Not to mention veracious
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Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Re: Sex on the table
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01/14/20 09:53 PM
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Catch22
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Hey no flaming you moron. Aweeeeee, boo hoo.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Sex on the table
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01/14/20 10:03 PM
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Cameron Kelsey
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Not really, but I got you to open the post. Five days a week I go down to the old water hole for coffee and solve the problem of the world. Now we cover every subject. We are a diverse group, ages from 45-80 years old and from all educational levels and life styles. We talk a lot about the out doors a lot. I have come to the conclusion that it will take a miracle to stop the gun grabbers! Why? Because the out door sportsmen/sportswoman are so fragmented in there thinking. I define an out door sportsmen as anyone that participates in any out door activity OUT SIDE of sports. Example trapper, rabbit hunter, sqr hunter, ducker hunter, bow hunter, fly fishing, bass fishing, kayaking, hiking, and so on. My example when I was practicing falconry I would hunt in the late fall, I came across a few bow hunters that would complain I was running the deer off. They felt I should have to wait until after deer season to hunt, ya right January 1, cold and tons of snow. So you know what I think of Bow hunter, stick it up where the sun doesn't shine. So did I care if the stopped deer baiting in Michigan, I do now, because if we so not support each other we are all doomed. I know Kayakers hate jet skis. The list goes on and on. If WE as a group don't change our way of thinking we are all doomed. Set aside your dis-likes of other sporting groups. Vote as one mind and get things turned around. JMO I have said this for years. Go to any outdoor forum or social media platform and the splintered divide is plain to see. Trappers ragging on coon hunters, coyote hound runners ripping on trappers, deer hunters ripping on just about any other outdoor group, yet they are fractured on how one should harvest a whitetail. I could go on and on. AR groups love this and harvest this stuff right off the internet. Sadly our infighting is completely tearing us apart, yet many are too proud to admit it or possibly see the other side of things. The other thing I often warn people about is the pet lobby. I see this is a huge danger for trappers. This mindset of humanizing pets is dangerous to our way of life. The AR groups realize this and are spewing to the general public about the danger they feel trappers, and in some cases hunters, pose to pets.
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Re: Sex on the table
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01/15/20 12:22 AM
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GREENCOUNTYPETE
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you are very correct that so many sportsmen have a grievance with another type of sportsman
bird hunters with trappers , trappers with deer hunters , archery people they have a problem with virtually everyone the irony of it all is that some people do all of these things , you would think they had to hate themselves.
here is a concept to take to coffee hour and mess with some peoples paradigm.
so many people approach things from the direction of control
so my challenge
bring up the first amendment
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
in this amendment the government is told what they are limited in doing , this limits the government and reserves the right of the people
the 3rd amendment No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law
in this amendment the government is told what they are limited in doing , this limits the government and protects the people's right to their home.
the 4th amendment
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized
in this amendment the government is told what they are limited in doing , this limits the government and protects the people's right to their personal possessions, writings, documents and papers and requires that reasonable evidence and the specifics of what is being looked for and where so that the government is limited in going on a witch hunt for anything they can use incriminating against you.
most likely every one sitting around your table with coffee is guilty of a crime if we were to look hard enough or back far enough.
the fifth amendment No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
in this amendment the government is told what they are limited in doing , this limits the government and protects the people's rights to a fair trial and protects them from self incrimination as well as property.
the 6th amendment In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
again protections for the accused to better understand why so many protections for the accused one must look back to British law and trial , if you were accused by say a British regular of committing a crime you were placed on a prison ship and if you didn't die on the way to your trial held in secret in Britain across the ocean and lets say you were found not guilty unlikely since virtually no evidence was sent with you certainly nothing that could clear you , you had no council and the council if you did have it had no access to the evidence across the ocean and could call no actuall witnesses to the supposed crime. but if you were found not guilty you were set free in england across the ocean from your family , freinds possessions , money so if you were really lucky you could catch a ride back to the Americas by signing on as an indentured servant for a period of years and no one was told of your location , health , guilt or inocence , you basically if accused were on a death sentence one way trip.
the seventh amendment In Suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury, shall be otherwise re-examined in any Court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.
more protections for the accused but in civil matters not criminal ones
the eighth amendment Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
wait another protection for the accused , are you getting the idea that these people were very very positive they wanted a change to the legal system they had where they had no protections at all from the government or accusations from a government agent.
the ninth amendment The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people
the people retain all rights specified and unspecified , the founders became concerned that future generations might argue that, because a certain right was not listed in the Bill of Rights, it did not exist.
the tenth amendment The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
anything not specified as a power of the federal government was the right of the state and or people
so in all these they are protections for the people from essentially every form of abuse they could think that their previous government had used to abuse them.
now that we understand that.
the second amendment A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.
now knowing that every one of the above amendments is a protection of the people and a restriction on the government. why would anyone think that the 2nd is anything else.
at the time the militia was the people at a county or town level we can see further evidence of this in the Virginal State constitution it makes it the duty of every county to assemble a militia of the people and that all men be prepared to act in the common defense.
it is an individual right guaranteed the people that prohibits the government from any infringement
this is not about hunting or sport shooting arms do not need to have a "sporting Purpose" those are Adolf Hitlers words.
the right guaranteed to the people and if you read the federalist papers it is even further spelled out.
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America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
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