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Deadliest Marksman; #6729343
01/14/20 10:15 PM
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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729371
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Amazing. In every detail ....so much to take in ....

He had a peaceful life at his farm, at last .

Thank you for the share, Sir Ken.

Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729399
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Cool story, I had never heard of the man.

Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729455
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Very fascinating reading material Ken thank you for sharing this with us !


Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729459
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I've read about this guy a few years ago. Much respect , a true hero to his country.

Another good one - Lady Death
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lyudmila_Pavlichenko

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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729480
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A Great Read Ken

Thanks


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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729481
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Interesting read. Would make a good movie. I liked how Hayha placed water on the snow in front of him so it would freeze and when he shot the enemy wouldn’t see a puff of snow in front of the muzzle. Also, placing snow in his mouth so there wouldn’t be any condensation vapor when he breathed.

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Apparently there is an obscure movie about him , good luck finding it. Hollywood should do one.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6698822/


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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729491
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I really enjoyed that. Thanks. Get some! He has the spirit of a Marine. Hadn't heard of him before this. Thanks for sharing.


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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729550
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Wow . . .


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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729574
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The controversy surrounding his marriage to Rachel remained a sore point for Jackson, who deeply resented attacks on his wife's honor. By May 1806, Charles Dickinson, who, like Jackson, raced horses, had published an attack on Jackson in the local newspaper, and it resulted in a written challenge from Jackson to a duel. Since Dickinson was considered an expert shot, Jackson determined it would be best to let Dickinson turn and fire first, hoping that his aim might be spoiled in his quickness; Jackson would wait and take careful aim at Dickinson. Dickinson did fire first, hitting Jackson in the chest. The bullet that struck Jackson was so close to his heart that it could not be removed. Under the rules of dueling, Dickinson had to remain still as Jackson took aim and shot and killed him. Jackson's behavior in the duel outraged men in Tennessee, who called it a brutal, cold-blooded killing and saddled Jackson with a reputation as a violent, vengeful man. He became a social outcast.[

Andrew Jackson Different sort of marksmanship

It is his portrait in the oval office

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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729578
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I had read about Simo Häyhä previously. Amazing man, amazing story.


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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729636
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Nice story

Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: Lugnut] #6729642
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Thank you for sharing. A very interesting read. I shared this with several Finish friends, Finish relatives thru the marriage of my late wife and some military history buffs.
Mac



Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: Cragar] #6729764
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Originally Posted by Cragar
Apparently there is an obscure movie about him , good luck finding it. Hollywood should do one.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt6698822/



its only 7 minutes, looks like its on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2yxn_3XCws


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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6729776
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
Interesting read. Would make a good movie. I liked how Hayha placed water on the snow in front of him so it would freeze and when he shot the enemy wouldn’t see a puff of snow in front of the muzzle. Also, placing snow in his mouth so there wouldn’t be any condensation vapor when he breathed.


Yes, it would make a great movie.
Carlos Hathcock, the Marine sniper, would lay a cloth on the ground in front of the muzzle of his rifle so the enemy wouldn't see any dust from the muzzle blast.


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Re: Deadliest Marksman; [Re: white17] #6729960
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every single Finnish rifle was built on a non finish receiver Finland didn't have the tooling to make Mosin receivers and apparently never did make any of them.

the start of the Finn's arsenal was 190K Russian M31/91 rifles that were in Finland when they won their independence

the first thing the Finn's did was replace worn barrels.
counter bore barrels that were good but had worn or damaged muzzles.
remark the rear sight in meters rather than arshins which were 2 1/3 feet or very close to a typical pace for a man of average size a the time.
tuned the triggers to improve trigger smoothness and pull
cut a 200 meter zero notch in the lowest step of the rear sight elevation


the Russians had a 400 arshin zero 311 yards or 284 meters not really bad if your only intention was to shoot at standing men
this is a simplified battle sight zero it made a lot of sense aim where the belt crossed the waste and you had a hit at 100 200 300 yards and at across the room or across the street distances just aim where you wanted to hit but your as much as 10 inches above the point of aim

with a 200 meter zero from 12 to 200 meters you were never more than 3.5 inches above the point of aim


after WWI the Finn's bought all the Mosins they could that other countries were looking to get rid of , a number of Remington and Westinghouse from the US among them as well as those that had ended up in French hands and many of the Baltic states.

by the 1920s they were shortening the barrels about 4 inches , using a heavier barrel profile , adding an aluminum sleeve to keep the wood from pressing on the barrel more free floating the barrel to some extent
they were also putting a new winged sight on the front and making a better notch to the rear sight slider and stabilizing wings to keep reduce left right movement.

the late 20s 1927 and 1928 they had a new front sight.

by the m28/30 they were making an all new rear sight and not just parts changes to the Russian sight the new sight was all marked in meters and had notches between each hundred meter marking for 25 meter increments

the final evolution was the M39 it standardized sling hardware , the new style finish rear sight a screw adjustable wind-age front sight

better trigger , better sights , good barrels that were free floated to some extent

in the pictures in the story it mentions being given the M28 varaiation for his efforts all of the rifles he is pictured with have the improved front sight and semi pistol grip stock

I think he was civil guard they had an M28/30 that may well have been what he used the sling hardware of the M28 and M28/30 fit those pictured

most sniper rifles of the time they were the best of the best of the production guns. the Finish were particular about their accuracy and most importantly their Marksmanship the tool they had was really the only tool their country could afford and they learned to use it much better than their enemy.

clearly it is much more the man behind the rifle than the rifle but the history of their improvements on the rifle of their enemy is an interesting one.


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Is it Mr Rodgers?

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clearly the man behind the rifle makes the shot , Carlos Hathcock was making many of his shots with nearly off the shelf Winchester model 70 and a 4x scope

but a video that demonstrates how well the Finn's had calibrated their sight present on the M28/30 and M39 with the addtional graduations a shooter could spend a little time logging their d.o.p.e and learning to read the wind and it was quite effective.



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