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TEACHERS #6729868
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First this state is broke plain and simple. Budget is a mess. But my question has to do with teachers pay.How is increasing teacher pay going to improve education in this state? Going by the grading scales they use for teachers we have some of the worst . Not saying they are all bad but why isn't there some standard for teachers to be held to. Around here if they get into trouble instead of being fired they get moved to a different school. Rant over.

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They call that Tenure. Stupidest thing I’ve ever heard. If me or you suck at our job we are fired, not them.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729889
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Thank your strong unions for buying the politicians off. We have alot of the same problems in this state That is why we pulled our kids and home/ charter schooled them.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729894
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Teachers have one of the most important jobs in the world. There are a lot of great teachers who won't, or can not afford to be teachers for the pisspoor wages they get. There are a lot of teachers who do it because its important and they want to make a difference, but the best ones often advance into other positions where they can make more money. If teachers were paid like they should be, there would a bunch more of them to choose from = better teachers teaching your kids. IMO the teachers are not the ones to blame for your child's poor performance.

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How much should a teacher make? They get off quite a bit. I knew a guy who went to college to be a teacher. Said he didnt want to work hard in life. I figured if they make over 35 grand a year here that's fair.

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My sister had a teacher this year ask for everyone's preferred pronouns.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729902
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If you crunch the numbers nationwide, you'll find teachers are paid quite well. It drives me nuts when politicians use that worn-out "invest in education" trope. We've put too much money into a system that systematically set out to undermine America.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729908
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Originally Posted by rex123
First this state is broke plain and simple. Budget is a mess. But my question has to do with teachers pay.How is increasing teacher pay going to improve education in this state? Going by the grading scales they use for teachers we have some of the worst . Not saying they are all bad but why isn't there some standard for teachers to be held to. Around here if they get into trouble instead of being fired they get moved to a different school. Rant over.


It's never ending .... I'll get kicked off here if I start pointing out facts


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729910
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Well said ADC.

There are definitely good ones out there that go above and beyond. They have to deal with a lot more BS than you imagine whether its the kids, parents, school board, or the state. Makes it hard to keep the good ones around when they could go get an office job with less stress for the same money or better.

I happen to be married to a dedicated 1st grade teacher. Comes home exhausted, worries about her kids' home lives, gets bugged by parents after hours, pays for a lot of extra things that the school won't.....the list goes on......but she loves the kids and knows she is making a difference.

I got her an apple watch for christmas. Keeps stats on your daily exercise. She walks anywhere from 4-5 miles a day in her classroom because she is involved.

I'm proud of her. But she may be the exception. I know there are teachers that just go through the motions and it drives her bonkers.

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Base pay for beginning teachers is 56,000 with senior teachers with extra credentials make 108,242. This for Chicago districts.

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Originally Posted by Matt28
How much should a teacher make? They get off quite a bit. I knew a guy who went to college to be a teacher. Said he didnt want to work hard in life. I figured if they make over 35 grand a year here that's fair.


You have no idea how many hours a good teacher put in in a year. I do. $35k is a kick in the nuts. It's not about the hours or physical work they do anyway.

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........and if she wanted to I would gladly let her look for a different job. I'm not happy with the way our school board and administration treats their teachers.

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Originally Posted by mnsota
Base pay for beginning teachers is 56,000 with senior teachers with extra credentials make 108,242. This for Chicago districts.


I wouldn't teach in Chicago for that. There aren't many that will and that is why they have to pay so much to get teachers to risk their lives in that hood to even get to work, let alone teach those intercity kids.

Cost of living in those big cities is also very high.

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Amen -- Posco. I come from a long line of teachers on both sides of my family, and it was one of the hardest decisions i have had to make (pulling my kids out ) There are some very good teachers and very bad ones -- all they have to do is behave themselves for a couple of years and then they are almost imposible to get rid of. And like ADC pointed out times have changed ( that is the main reason for my parents getting out of teaching). Teachers are unable to discipline their students and (some) are being forced to teach wacked out stuff (others are teaching their wacked out beliefs and not teachingwhat they should be). I believe that if you spent time in the classroom you would find that not much time is spent "teaching" most of it is spent "babysitting".

Re: TEACHERS [Re: mnsota] #6729922
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Originally Posted by mnsota
Base pay for beginning teachers is 56,000 with senior teachers with extra credentials make 108,242. This for Chicago districts.



Yep horrible graduation rates , and yet notorious for going on strike for more money


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: ~ADC~] #6729924
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Good morning,
I am a teacher. I was tenured in Hawaii and that tenure let me be a good teacher in a poor performing school. By that I mean that I was able to do hands-on lessons involving mechanics, craftsmanship, and hunter education as part of my history curriculum. The school was in restructuring and everyone was told to follow the same script. They literally handed teachers a script. I modified it and had I not been tenured they would have canned me. That is the point of tenure, for good teachers to have some freedom to do what they are great at.

To address wages, when I was teaching in Hawaii, I also had 2 other jobs. The cost of living in Hawaii is ridiculous and they pay teachers pretty poorly. I don't know what its like where you are at but I can only relate my experiences.

A couple years ago I moved back to the great state of Alaska, where they recognize, and pay me for my doctorate degree, they transferred in my years of service from Hawaii, and they pay nearly double. I kill or grow most of my food and work in a remote village full of amazing kids who's parents hold them to extremely high standards. The free market is a beautiful thing, If teachers can make more and live more comfortably somewhere else they will go there. That is the primary argument for increasing wages, keeping the good ones and recruiting more.

Yes there are teachers who abuse tenure, There are a bunch of teachers who never make tenure because they get canned before they get there because they are not good at their job. Even after tenure there are systems in place to remove them or push out bad teachers, moving to another school is often the last step before removal.


This is a bit long winded and informally written, but perhaps this provides a bit of perspective.

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Originally Posted by H2ORat
Amen -- Posco. I come from a long line of teachers on both sides of my family, and it was one of the hardest decisions i have had to make (pulling my kids out ) There are some very good teachers and very bad ones -- all they have to do is behave themselves for a couple of years and then they are almost imposible to get rid of. And like ADC pointed out times have changed ( that is the main reason for my parents getting out of teaching). Teachers are unable to discipline their students and (some) are being forced to teach wacked out stuff (others are teaching their wacked out beliefs and not teachingwhat they should be). I believe that if you spent time in the classroom you would find that not much time is spent "teaching" most of it is spent "babysitting".


The saddest part of what you stated is that for some families, school is where the kids learn discipline.

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Originally Posted by mnsota
Base pay for beginning teachers is 56,000 with senior teachers with extra credentials make 108,242. This for Chicago districts.



Yep horrible graduation rates , and yet notorious for going on strike for more money


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I didn't say there weren't good ones . But it seems they have to be held to some kind of standard don't they? If you don't get your job done anywhere else you get fired but around here if you fail as a teacher you get moved or do even worse, you have the union fighting for you . On the locale news a teacher is caught on a cell phone camera dragging a special needs child around the halls on the floor . Fired? No just moved to a non teaching position. But some how money is the answer?

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Originally Posted by Rcates


The saddest part of what you stated is that for some families, school is where the kids learn discipline.



You are correct. Imagine, as bad as it is in a small school district, how bad it would be in Chicago, yet people blame the teachers. You can not teach kids while you are dealing with the problem kids, and there are a bunch of them. You can't just kick them out or expel them these days either. You got kids throwing huge fits, fighting, cussing, totally disrupting the class, etc... and all you can do is be nice to them and wait until they calm down. No child left behind. This doesn't happen in other countries, you see its a lot easier to get a higher grade point average and such if you can weed out all the stupid and disruptive kids like they do in many other countries.

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