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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729938
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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729941
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Good thing not all teachers are like that , still some good ones left

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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729948
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My wife started out her professional career as a teacher, but being fresh out of college, she found herself teaching kids who weren't that much younger than she was. She shifted gears and went into social services and has been there ever since. Another career choice that doesn't lend itself to being politically conservative.

I understand why some people recoil at the idea that a lot of Americans are tired of having their kids politically indoctrinated by people they assumed they could trust. We should be able to put our heads on our pillows and sleep soundly at night knowing our kids are being well cared for. That's not the case. That's what happens when you politicize education.

My kids went to both public and church schools depending on what our situation happened to be at the time. More than once I had my young daughter question me on why her teacher/teachers tried to undermine what we were trying to instill in them at home. We weren't experiencing an anomaly, many Americans have become more aware of it.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: ~ADC~] #6729949
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
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How much should a teacher make? They get off quite a bit. I knew a guy who went to college to be a teacher. Said he didnt want to work hard in life. I figured if they make over 35 grand a year here that's fair.


You have no idea how many hours a good teacher put in in a year. I do. $35k is a kick in the nuts. It's not about the hours or physical work they do anyway.

I dont know how many hours they put in. How many hours on average a year are you saying they put in?

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729950
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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729952
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I didn't say there weren't good ones . But it seems they have to be held to some kind of standard don't they? If you don't get your job done anywhere else you get fired but around here if you fail as a teacher you get moved or do even worse, you have the union fighting for you . On the locale news a teacher is caught on a cell phone camera dragging a special needs child around the halls on the floor . Fired? No just moved to a non teaching position. But some how money is the answer?


But, if you don't know the circumstances that lead to this... If that kids screams at you and spits in your face, then started hitting you, how would you react? I doubt the kid was just setting there behaving themselves. Kids do this stuff all the time in our little 400 kid school district in rural Iowa. I mean at least two or three incidences per day. Imagine how much worse it would be in low income areas where there are way more of these type kids per capita.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729955
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Originally Posted by Matt28
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You have no idea how many hours a good teacher put in in a year. I do. $35k is a kick in the nuts. It's not about the hours or physical work they do anyway.

I dont know how many hours they put in. How many hours on average a year are you saying they put in?


Not that it matters, because as I said hours are not the issue, but my wife gets to the school at 7 and leaves around 4 pm. She then spends at least 1 1/2 but of times more hours per night on school work so 10 1/2 - 12 hours a day. She spends at least two weeks a year, usually more, on continued education (required), which we have to pay for and at lest a week of the year at conferences and things of that sort. That said, she gets paid pretty well for her work these days, but its because she had done it for 22+ years and has her masters degree and special endorsements.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729956
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Teachers put in more time than just the hours during the school is in session. They grade papers at home in the evening. They work with students after hours. During the summer they attend enrichment programs and other courses to stay current in their field.

Not all teachers do that but the good ones do.

In my opinion, teaching is a full time job. I appreciate the good ones out there.


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729962
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rex i can guarrantee you that money is not the answer -- like so many other issues ( drug use, homlessness, mental health, healthcare, gangs, murder ) the true problems are not being dealt with so it is easier to throw a little money that direction and hope that some if it does some good( or stops the screaming for a few minutes). All of these problems are complex and could not be fixed overnight no matter what anyone did. I know from my personal experiences of trying to work within the school framework is frustrating and most often wasted time -- even for someone that had their grandmother for a teacher at the same school their kids were going to. That is why i pulled my kids -- they still had alot of their friends they met with on a regular basis and the differences in the knowledge between the home/charter schoolers and the public is amazing. And my kids knew which bathroom to use.

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It's every job some make two much some not enough unfortunly it's not devised equal. But most jobs if you're not happy there's some one else that would love to have it.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729967
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"Here" teachers are the highest paid of anywhere,.. and they still claim if only they were paid more they would be better teachers.
There are good teachers, my daughter is one, she now lives where teachers are NOT the highest paid in the universe, unfortunately, and yes there are a lot of lousy teachers who no matter how much money you throw at them would still be lousy teachers....

Whats the answer? I don't know, but putting up with these entitled brats has to be a no win situation that money ain't gonna fix.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729970
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I moved form a coastal county in N.C. that had very high real estate prices and very little affordable housing for entry level teachers. As older married teachers retired, it was almost impossible to find a beginning teacher who could move to the county. Many young teachers left the occupation and became waitresses in fine restaurants, where they made more money.

I winter months they draw unemployment and travel to Costa Rica to surf. Go figure.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: Posco] #6729974
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Originally Posted by Posco
My wife started out her professional career as a teacher, but being fresh out of college, she found herself teaching kids who weren't that much younger than she was. She shifted gears and went into social services and has been there ever since. Another career choice that doesn't lend itself to being politically conservative.

I understand why some people recoil at the idea that a lot of Americans are tired of having their kids politically indoctrinated by people they assumed they could trust. We should be able to put our heads on our pillows and sleep soundly at night knowing our kids are being well cared for. That's not the case. That's what happens when you politicize education.

My kids went to both public and church schools depending on what our situation happened to be at the time. More than once I had my young daughter question me on why her teacher/teachers tried to undermine what we were trying to instill in them at home. We weren't experiencing an anomaly, many Americans have become more aware of it.


My dad, who was a 6th grade graduate, made it clear to me that my teachers all deserved my respect. But he also stressed that they are not always right just because they are a teacher. He always encouraged me to contest anything that did not pass the smell test.....but do so politely.


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729984
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My wife teaches, she grades papers and make lesson plans, figuring out projects for the kids, teaches spark classes before school and sponsors a high school dance line. Thatís all on her time! Not counting teaching her regular class. She works 7 days a week and donít get to bed before 11pm. Now ,she teaches at a small country school , but, the work is still there!!

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6729995
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Lots of good things above but for me it is mostly about what happens at home.

Immigrants have come to the us for years and have flourished in our system.

To many people who let the public schools raise their kids.

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I have to agree there are a lot of good teachers out there. I live in a small town, I see the teacher pass my home every morning, and a short time later the school buses come by, not far behind the teachers. Late afternoon I see the buses heading out with the kids and a very short time later here come the teachers. The students year is 183 days a year. I think a teacher is a few more days along with Teacher Student conferences that is outside the 183 day. My question IF the State School Board say the school you has to have 183 days of instruction why do they have snow day, last we had 10 snow days. Gal across said she want to be a teacher because she would get the summer off. But like I have said there are good and bad teacher, just like good fur buyers and bad fur buyers. JMO


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: Posco] #6730019
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Originally Posted by Posco
If you crunch the numbers nationwide, you'll find teachers are paid quite well. It drives me nuts when politicians use that worn-out "invest in education" trope. We've put too much money into a system that systematically set out to undermine America.

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X2- ADC and for whom pointed at unions its got nothing to do with unions its this political correctness that does it no lawsuits no punishment just move on become someone elses problem


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730043
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Volunteer as a teacher assistant for a week at an elementary school and then make your judgment calls.
My wife was a teacher for over ten years, my kids now grown say they barely spent any time with her as they grew up. I barely saw her myself as she would get up at 4:am to make lesson plans, grade papers ect and call it quits at 11:pm every day throughout the school year. In the summer as there were training seminars and classroom teardown for deep cleaning then classroom set up.
The mental anguish she had from parents and guardians that would not even show up for the required senior presentations which required a parent or guardian present. Teachers would have to volunteer to fill in for the absentees.

I am so happy she switched jobs, oh and the pay wasn't that great either. I won't criticize and judge another person's career unless I actually do it to know what they actually do.


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