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Re: TEACHERS [Re: charles] #6730379
01/15/20 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
My mom taught public school in the same town for 45 years and retired at 70. She walked to work every day. Upon her retirement, she immediately went to the community college and was hired to teach adult reading. On her first evening of adult reading, an elderly man brought his Bible to class and wanted to learn to read it. She stopped at age 85. Said her back bothered her and she could not bend over a student's desk to help them any longer.


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730382
01/15/20 08:30 PM
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In KY. this year. Teachers protesting against pension reform. They were promised what they had would be honored but new teachers would be put on a 401k plan. Union stepped in and said not fair.Even though most people have one. Also chanted we love our kids give us more money so we can do our job. Not more money for the schools but for us. Please one of you saying I or anyone else is bashing teachers explain how this helps schools .Also don't forget we get to retire after 20 years. How can any state afford this and still provide services to the rest of their people?

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730383
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Are you not paid extra for summer school ? Green bay

Are you a math teacher ?

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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730388
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Teachers wages should have almost nothing to do with the number of hours they work. The training, skill, and ability needed to do the job should determine wages. Good teachers DO NOT make enough money. Like has been said there are a few bad teachers, there are bad trappers, farmers, truck drivers, lawyers, bankers, bad everything, but as a whole teachers are probably way ahead of most of the rest in the the % of good vs. bad. They are all handicapped by the rules and regulations of public schools. I guarantee the bashers here do not go to the schools and have no idea what it really entails. If you think its remotely the same now as it was 20-50 years ago when you went to school, you are sadly mistaken.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730392
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For those of you that have no respect for teachers, why would a student respect them if you don’t.

Same as law enforcement and military. Under appreciated. People wonder why the world is the way it is and like to point the finger. Do some self reflecting

Re: TEACHERS [Re: gryhkl] #6730393
01/15/20 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by gryhkl
Hey, it only takes 4 years of college. and tens of thousands of dollars to get one of these cushy jobs.
Earn your masters during your first few years, and get 40 hours of continuing ed per year, every year, and the state lets you keep your certificate current......piece of cake.
I think most would be surprised at the work that goes into teaching and how little liberal indoctrination goes on. You should not allow yourself to be misinformed by some of the "fake news" media outlets.



Going to have to agree with gryhkl here.


Now let’s talk about nurses and how terrible they are.




Who is John Galt?

You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Re: TEACHERS [Re: Rcates] #6730394
01/15/20 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Rcates
For those of you that have no respect for teachers, why would a student respect them if you don’t.

Same as law enforcement and military. Under appreciated. People wonder why the world is the way it is and like to point the finger. Do some self reflecting


Spot on! Teachers know by the kids parents what kind of student the kid will be about 95% of the time. Funny how so, so often the parents who had trouble in school, have kids that have trouble in school.

Seems that way quite often with the ones who didn't get along with the law too.

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Re: TEACHERS [Re: Green Bay] #6730400
01/15/20 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Green Bay

Let's take a look at it

In a single year teachers I know have the following off

1 week @ Thanksgiving
1 week spring break
2 weeks @ Christmas
10 weeks summer vaca
5 paid sick days
5 paid personal days
All fed gov holidays
Several snow days not all are made up at the end of the year
Every Wednesday of every week my son gets early release at 1:30 so teachers can have personal time
He also has several days off for teacher in-service days where they teach no one


Now do the math if you dare



Thurs Friday off for Thanksgiving
1 Week Spring Break
1 Week Christmas
6 Weeks Summer
10 Days ( 8 sick / 2 Personal) - Maximum cap on days 100. Anything over turned back which most teachers do every year.
Federal Holidays
1 snow day (Everything else is made up)
1 Day a month Staff Development ( Teacher Training)

Standard 5 Day weeks = 36 @ 55 hours a week = 1,980 hours

4 Additional weeks of Summer School @ 20 hours a Week = 80 hours

Minimum of 2,060 hours (Additional hours for licensing not included)[/quote]


Why only 6 weeks for summer break ? Are you counting summer school twice ?


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730402
01/15/20 08:51 PM
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I would like to also point out, that teaching can be very mentally draining. It isn’t easy to get up and teach the curriculum every day, while ensuring that you cover everything and make sure the students are engaged.


Who is John Galt?

You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730403
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Maybe there is a lack of respect for teachers by their students, because over half their students are probably smarter than most of their teachers? You know, since education majors score bottom of SATs. blush


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730417
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I would challenge anyone who is not a teacher to volunteer, or become a substitute teacher for 1 day, then come back and comment on this thread.
I have the opportunity to do fur/wildlife presentations several times a year in my local schools and honestly after a hr or so I’m whipped and frustrated. The lack of respect is astonishing even on really young kids.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730423
01/15/20 09:07 PM
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No one is disrespecting good teachers. But people seem to be avoiding the questions that have been asked . Taking money away from other areas in a state and raising taxes to give teachers more money how does that improve education ? No answer. Why can't new teachers be put on a 401k? No answer when a teacher doesn't do the job they were hired for why can't they be fired? no answer. Someone is bringing the police and firefighter into this. Okay they are being screwed because all the money is going to teachers and yet KY. schools are near the bottom in everything. Also the ones that are fighting the hardest in these threads are people who have someone who teaches and brings in half or more of there family income.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730436
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Must have had 50-60 different teachers in my school career,All were good teachers.but none were the same.Some were strict,some laid back,but all were good teachers.We got strapped by the Principal,not by the teacher.
When my kids were going to public school I noticed the teachers were very different from ones I had.My kids liked all their teachers.I noticed My kids teachers spent considerable more time volunteering for extra curricular activities for the kids than they did when I went to school.
None of my kids got strapped at school-no strapping allowed when my kids went to school.

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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730437
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Children should respect teachers for sure
Teachers around here any way should be payed more.
However it is just a job, if'n you don't like it , quit, if it don't pay enough, quit, if you don't feel appreciated enough, quit.
People should quit trying to make this more than a job, because it does come with a paycheck, in the agreed on amount, on the agreed upon day.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: Rcates] #6730447
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Originally Posted by Rcates
For those of you that have no respect for teachers, why would a student respect them if you don’t.

Same as law enforcement and military. Under appreciated. People wonder why the world is the way it is and like to point the finger. Do some self reflecting


Fantastic reply! Yes, Yes, and Yes.


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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730457
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Why would ones profession dictate the level of respect ?

Shouldn't respect be earned by the person and not granted by the job they chose ?

POS 's in all professions aren't there ?

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Re: TEACHERS [Re: rex123] #6730460
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My mother, wife, son and daughter were/ are teachers. They all cared about their students and were worth every penny they were paid. Most on this site wouldn’t last one day in a classroom without begging to go back to their previous job.

Re: TEACHERS [Re: Dirt] #6730480
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Originally Posted by Dirt
In conclusion: A teacher attends a university and has the free will to chose any major and chooses education. (One of the easiest majors) Then most join a union to negotiate their wages above what the free market would pay for an easy major and somehow they end up underpaid for their profession? confused


LOL YOU ARE SMOKING DOPE. EASY??? !!! My wife is a double major in mathematics and accounting. 7-12. I'll send you some of the work from her MATH college classes then you get back to me on how easy it is for HER major.

BUT elementary PE maybe.

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Originally Posted by rex123
In KY. this year. Teachers protesting against pension reform. They were promised what they had would be honored but new teachers would be put on a 401k plan. Union stepped in and said not fair.Even though most people have one. Also chanted we love our kids give us more money so we can do our job. Not more money for the schools but for us. Please one of you saying I or anyone else is bashing teachers explain how this helps schools .Also don't forget we get to retire after 20 years. How can any state afford this and still provide services to the rest of their people?


20 years? What school system you in. Better look again. 27 years with limited benefits. 30 years full retirement. The strike was because the STATE law makers had pulled out of the retirement account and then announced they couldn't fund the system. IF they had just left THE TEACHERS money alone no one could have complained/ BUT they used it to pad their salaries and fund special interest groups!!!!!!

The only thing you can get after 20 years is paid health ins and if you are not 55 you can't draw a penny of retirement. PLUS ins is NOT paid in full still cost you 168 dollars a month or 861 for a family plan.....

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Re: TEACHERS [Re: jbyrd63] #6730505
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Originally Posted by jbyrd63
Originally Posted by Dirt
In conclusion: A teacher attends a university and has the free will to chose any major and chooses education. (One of the easiest majors) Then most join a union to negotiate their wages above what the free market would pay for an easy major and somehow they end up underpaid for their profession? confused


LOL YOU ARE SMOKING DOPE. EASY??? !!! My wife is a double major in mathematics and accounting. 7-12. I'll send you some of the work from her MATH college classes then you get back to me on how easy it is for HER major.

BUT elementary PE maybe.


So what you are saying is wife didn't chose an education major? Pay Attention! Google "Easiest college majors"

P.S. We will trade, she sends me some math and I'll send her some of my physics homework.

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