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Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: Steven 49er] #6730208 01/15/20 06:13 PM 01/15/20 06:13 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 35,175 McGrath, AK W white17 "General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
white17 "General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington" W Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 35,175 McGrath, AK	Originally Posted by Steven 49er Originally Posted by white17 I think the Fed is going to have a very very difficult time doing that....ever again. They are running out of options Are you saying we are not in a free market environment? The stock market will never "peak", it may correct but once it starts to go back up it will go through that peak. That is until the Fed. runs out of options lol. Not at all. I am saying that the fed and other central banks have run out of tools. Normally during a recession the fed would drop rates to increase liquidity and try to drive up asset prices. We are still almost at zero. There is not much left to reduce. They have already said they won't go negative even though other central banks have done so They have essentially run out of flexibility. Mean As Nails

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: bblwi] #6730211 01/15/20 06:17 PM 01/15/20 06:17 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 35,175 McGrath, AK W white17 "General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
white17 "General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington" W Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 35,175 McGrath, AK	Originally Posted by bblwi At my age pf 72 we are quite a bit higher in percentage of our investments in securities than into more fixed investments. We have established some guidelines as to when we should move assets into more secure investments. We are comfortable for ourselves now we need to determine how much we may want to pass on or to buy into other assets for the next generations. Another issue that arises during these times of rapid growth is about 13 years ago when I retired the first time we started to shift funds based on a predetermined balance or percent of our investments in safer versus riskier investments. When the market rises as fast as this has since 2009 one needs to either change the percentage or shift investments frequently. Some places have an automatic re-balancing program, but we chose not to do that. Yes it is fun while it lasts. We put a designated amount away for our 3 granddaughters for college and those funds are in more growth oriented investments and they have really grown since 2009. Two are 13 and one i 9 so they have benefited from the last 10 years of growth. Bryce I did the same for my granddaughters. 14.15 & 7. . My motivation was to help with college costs if they choose that, but also to introduce them at an early age, to the wonders of the market. Mean As Nails

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730233 01/15/20 06:31 PM 01/15/20 06:31 PM
Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,716 SW Pa W wr otis trapper
wr otis trapper W Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,716 SW Pa	Sometime during Don jr's presidency. Twelve years from now.

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: white17] #6730235 01/15/20 06:34 PM 01/15/20 06:34 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,359 East-Central Wisconsin B bblwi trapper
bblwi trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,359 East-Central Wisconsin	One of the larger concerns I have is that most securities are quite over priced or valued. The average is getting close to 20 to 1 on earnings so there is a strong opportunity for correction even in a bull market. If and when we have an overall economic correction we don't know how large of a correction could be at hand. China's growth rate now of say 4-7% has caused a very serious slowdown when compared to 10 % plus. We are now edging down into the lower 2s or maybe upper 1 percentage points with goals of 3% or more. When will performing at roughly 60% of expectations cause a correction? Bryce

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730241 01/15/20 06:41 PM 01/15/20 06:41 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11,201 Armpit, ak D Dirt trapper
Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11,201 Armpit, ak	What was it 2018 when the fed killed the market by raising interest rates? If they raise them again, the market will drop again. Just like the triple rate cut gets you 20% market gains pattern. Last edited by Dirt; 01/15/20 06:44 PM. Who is John Galt?

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730243 01/15/20 06:44 PM 01/15/20 06:44 PM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 10,485 MN S Steven 49er trapper
Steven 49er trapper S Joined: May 2010 Posts: 10,485 MN	Why would we need rate cuts in a booming economy? "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: Steven 49er] #6730244 01/15/20 06:46 PM 01/15/20 06:46 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11,201 Armpit, ak D Dirt trapper
Dirt trapper D Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 11,201 Armpit, ak	Originally Posted by Steven 49er Why would we need rate cuts in a booming economy? Because it is not booming. It is anemic. Who is John Galt?

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730261 01/15/20 07:03 PM 01/15/20 07:03 PM
Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 574 mn T trapperman222 trapper
trapperman222 trapper T Joined: Apr 2012 Posts: 574 mn	Its all Trumps fault ..

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730265 01/15/20 07:06 PM 01/15/20 07:06 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,180 Three Lakes,WI 72 C corky trapper
corky trapper C Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 7,180 Three Lakes,WI 72	Good luck trying to time any market. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: corky] #6730475 01/15/20 09:42 PM 01/15/20 09:42 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,359 East-Central Wisconsin B bblwi trapper
bblwi trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,359 East-Central Wisconsin	I never try to time a market, I work on trying to time what is the best for our families position. One also needs to access how much risk one is willing to take and also what level of decline will one accept or at what point will one be able to live as planned. Bryce

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730499 01/15/20 09:59 PM 01/15/20 09:59 PM
Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 397 sw minn. Flipper trapper
Flipper trapper Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 397 sw minn.	If trump loses stock market will crash

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: Flipper] #6730510 01/15/20 10:09 PM 01/15/20 10:09 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,359 East-Central Wisconsin B bblwi trapper
bblwi trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 11,359 East-Central Wisconsin	That is part of the financial planning we have done. My thoughts are that it will, but will rebound and it is best to be out while high to have more to put in when it starts back up. Currently looking at the tax implications of moving some longer held assets. With a max capital gain of 15% and here in WI a 60% exclusion of the 7% one needs to weigh the tax issue with the estimated potential loss. Probably never will be lower rates then we have now. Bryce

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730513 01/15/20 10:14 PM 01/15/20 10:14 PM
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brianmall trapper B Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 11,269 Indiana	Day before Dems take back control

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730516 01/15/20 10:14 PM 01/15/20 10:14 PM
Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 11,269 Indiana B brianmall trapper
brianmall trapper B Joined: Oct 2013 Posts: 11,269 Indiana	We're good till the commies win again!

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730549 01/15/20 10:52 PM 01/15/20 10:52 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,379 Coeur d' Alene, Idaho J James "Minka"
James "Minka" J Joined: Dec 2006 Posts: 17,379 Coeur d' Alene, Idaho	Someone always has to go political. The market is up now, but will eventually go down. I stay away from stocks, after my investments in tech stocks went to zero in 2002 (I think it was). Yes, stocks can lose all their worth. I now invest only in mutual funds, and don't look at my statements when the market drops. This strategy has worked well for me since then. Jim Forum Infidel since 2001 "And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: Dirt] #6730563 01/15/20 11:04 PM 01/15/20 11:04 PM
Joined: May 2010 Posts: 10,485 MN S Steven 49er trapper
Steven 49er trapper S Joined: May 2010 Posts: 10,485 MN	Hate to tell you this James but your mutual fund is invested in stocks. Don't get mad at me, I'm just yanking your chain lol. Originally Posted by Dirt Originally Posted by Steven 49er Why would we need rate cuts in a booming economy? Because it is not booming. It is anemic. Can't be everyone says it's booming(it is). But wait, we've cut rates to recession levels and started QE 4 although they say claim it's not(Wink, wink) "Inflation is always and everywhere a monetary phenomenon". Milton Friedman.

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730575 01/15/20 11:14 PM 01/15/20 11:14 PM
Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 603 ontario, canada O old243 trapper
old243 trapper O Joined: Feb 2019 Posts: 603 ontario, canada	I am about 90% in good quality dividend paying stocks , etf's, reits. Holding about 10% cash. I look for steady dividend paying securities. Even if the market fluctuates , you will still get your income. Day to day noise is a buying opportunity, Then you put your cash to work. Keep a bit of dry powder. Have found the old sell in May and go away, sometimes works out. Good Luck old243

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730598 01/15/20 11:33 PM 01/15/20 11:33 PM
Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 10,833 Asheville, NC C charles trapper
charles trapper C Joined: Aug 2010 Posts: 10,833 Asheville, NC	If someone here could tell when the market will peak, they don’t need to be skinning hides for extra money.

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: 160user] #6730603 01/15/20 11:35 PM 01/15/20 11:35 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 314 Upstate, S.C. C Carcat trapper
Carcat trapper C Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 314 Upstate, S.C.	No one knows when the next correction will come, but plenty will claim that they predicted it after it comes. My father gave me a few investment rules to go by and one was that you never lose money when you take a profit. However, I really regret selling my Apple, my Amazon and my Navidia stock years ago. If you are going to need the money in less than ten years you should go to low risk investments. Until interest rates go back up I think the big investors will stick with stocks. They have to get a minimum return and they can't get it with bonds now. The Baby boomers are playing catchup because they didn't save enough for retirement.The two questions I worry about are when will climate change impact the economy and when will artificial intelligence eliminate tons of jobs. Long term we should probably all buy land in Canada cause climate change is going to push people from Florida and the East Coast up there in droves.

Re: Stock Market-When will it peak? [Re: corky] #6730604 01/15/20 11:38 PM 01/15/20 11:38 PM
Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 35,175 McGrath, AK W white17 "General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington"
white17 "General (Mr.Sunshine) Washington" W Joined: Mar 2007 Posts: 35,175 McGrath, AK	Originally Posted by corky Good luck trying to time any market. Exactly Mean As Nails

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