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State of Idaho shoots elk #6732245
01/17/20 10:40 AM
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IDAHO FISH & GAME KILLED MORE THAN 200 ELK NEAR SHOSHONE
BILL COLLEYJanuary 16, 2020
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More than 200 elk were killed by sharpshooters from Idaho Fish and Game. It happened over a period of several months. A big night might result in half a dozen elk being taken down. This wasn’t a daytime hunt. The elk had started foraging on private land north of Shoshone. The animals had been chased away during daylight hours. The herd then adjusted and started feeding at night.

Because hunting in darkness is prohibited in Idaho, Fish and Game began the removal with its own staff. The removal of the elk stopped some serious depredation. The meat was donated and fed the poor.



All of this angered some hunters who believed they should’ve had an opportunity to bag the game. Some are calling state legislators and protesting and, yet. A nighttime hunting ban, established for safety reasons by the legislature, would’ve blocked allowing the public to take the animals.

Idaho Fish and Game spokesman Terry Thompson reminds us his agency has a mandate to manage game. The more than 200 animals are a fraction of the elk roaming the state. The kill also allowed Fish and Game to apply some scientific studies, which could improve future management. Including the enhancement of the hunting experience for the public.

Thompson was a guest on Newsradio 1310, KLIX. He explained how the operation worked and fielded questions from the audience. It may have set aside some of the anger directed at Fish and Game. If you would like to listen to his explanation you can click on the YouTube video below:

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Re: State of Idaho shoots elk [Re: Bruce T] #6732246
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Re: State of Idaho shoots elk [Re: Bruce T] #6732264
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I don't know. I sure wouldn't want a bunch of yahoos shooting around my place..........especially in the middle of the night. Can you imagine the problems if you had cattle in a pasture or how many wounded elk would be lost ?

License & tag fees for residents would be less that 80$ apiece as near as I can tell.


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At first glance, at least they donated the meat, kudos for that! I will add that being on "staff", doesn't guarantee that you are a better shot or a safer hunter than John Q Public.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
Re: State of Idaho shoots elk [Re: Bruce T] #6732283
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Maybe more tags in previous years so the herd wouldn't be that large??
Maybe better management to prevent damage? Just a thought.

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It sounds as if they faced a "D***** if you do, d***** if you don't" type of deal. Were the elk there because the wolves were not, or at least not there in the numbers found where the elk usually wintered?


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Originally Posted by Yes sir
Maybe more tags in previous years so the herd wouldn't be that large??
Maybe better management to prevent damage? Just a thought.



Maybe a contributing factor.

My guess is that access during open season is a bigger issue


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all depends on your prospective if its good or bad if you farm there good, If all you care about is hunting bad IMHO the problem with letting the public hunt private property is MOST only want to shoot the largest buck out there want SOLE permission tie up as many tracts as possible and are perfectly happy to watch 20 does or cows munch away while waiting for a Trophy This has occurred here in Mi. even under crop depradation permits I have allowed hunting on my property only to see it turn into a pita


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After listening to the radio broadcast I do not agree with what they did. They are doing this, spending a bunch of money btw, under the guise of research. I wonder how big the tracts of private property are and if the landowner allows hunters to hunt it. They never said that it would be dangerous to hunt there. They themselves changed the pattern of the elk to come in at night to feed, then said because it's against the law to hunt elk at night, we had to go in and shoot them. I ain't buying it.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Maybe Idaho farmers could lease their property for a lot of money Like Ohio


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Originally Posted by jeff karsten
Maybe Idaho farmers could lease their property for a lot of money Like Ohio

Yeah, and then rake in the subsidies and still have the DNR come out and spend a bunch of money to boot. Sounds about right and par for the course. Did ya listen to the broadcast Jeff, it does sound bad to me. The tags around the two WMA's were for controlled hunts and they did up the tag amounts to 2500 and made them over the counter, they sold out. This was a good thing, but in today's age, they still don't know how many hunters were successful. IMO, what happened is poor wildlife management and left leaning agendas being played out.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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I had to quit listening after three minutes - way too many ummms for me.


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Re: State of Idaho shoots elk [Re: Bruce T] #6732426
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Poor ole elk. What are they gonna do when our population hits 400 million?

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First off, shoot cows only. Have a drawing for how many cows you want harvested. There is a fee for a harvest tag, 50% of the fee will got to the private land own that the cow is harvest of off. The land own are sign a agreement to allow hunting on there property and the State has a list of those owners. JMO

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We are in the middle of a late cow only private land only season here,(Dec1-Jan31) to cull the wintering elk. Problem is most of the hay ground owners won't let anyone hunt. They will ask for panels to protect the hay stacks and the CPW gives them to them. Hay guys wanted the season CPW obliged, only way elk get killed is catching them coming or going across the small bordering parcels. Screwed up situation.






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Originally Posted by Getting There
First off, shoot cows only. Have a drawing for how many cows you want harvested. There is a fee for a harvest tag, 50% of the fee will got to the private land own that the cow is harvest of off. The land own are sign a agreement to allow hunting on there property and the State has a list of those owners. JMO

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So, you are suggesting that Idaho should have mandated that a private landowner follow a State Order to allow every swinging wiener with a hunting license to come in on his private land and shoot high powered rifles? That smells like tyranny to me.

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Originally Posted by Getting There
First off, shoot cows only. Have a drawing for how many cows you want harvested. There is a fee for a harvest tag, 50% of the fee will got to the private land own that the cow is harvest of off. The land own are sign a agreement to allow hunting on there property and the State has a list of those owners. JMO

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I believe that the increased number of permits were for antlerless elk on public land.

Seems to me that those whining are just antler hunters.

What difference does it make how much land a rancher owns ? He owns it. He should control it.

Are we going to use envy to manage wildlife herds ?

I don't have a problem with what Idaho did. It seems both equitable, economical, and efficient.


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This is what is American wildlife mismanagement. If the rich farmers had a stake in those elk, they would be letting people hunt. Instead they want the money for hay sales, plus I would expect they get paid for hay lost. South Dakota has the same thing with Canada geese, in the rich farmers get paid by the state for damage geese do, and then they will not let people hunt. The state then slaughters nesting hens on their nests in the spring.

The solution is of course the state getting out of the way and the people being able to hunt THEIR wildlife. Wolves play a part in Idaho as they are becoming a major problem from Colorado, Montana, Wyoming, the Dakotas and Minnesota. We have wolves around here from the Minnesota refuges. They move coyotes in, and they run cattle to madness, and they concentrate game animals.
Once again it comes down to federal and state wildlife mismanagement, as predators do not call up politicians and complain about fish and game wardens. The wolves, mountain lions, and coyotes need to be reduced to 1940 levels, and then these elk will be out chewing on pine trees. If landowners want the fees the state pays, they need to allow hunting.

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Let me see if I understand you wildlife management logic.

Reducing predation will cause elk to eat pine trees ? Right ???

Wouldn't reduced predation likely increase the elk population causing even more problem interactions with people ?


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What a Public Waste of License Sales!!!



and gas and food and motel and sporting goods sales that could have been realized by visiting hunters.


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