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Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6730848
01/16/20 08:22 AM
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Put out large bait piles
No large bait- Burry a K-9 ,skunk,beaver carcus.
Pre season. re arange your trails to fit your snare.
A deer that is at ease traveling carry their nose abour 6"-8" off the walking surface.


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Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6730877
01/16/20 08:51 AM
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Our deer migrate around and I try to keep track of that so I have periods of time when trail sets with traps or snares can be used without the headaches.The deer don't seem to yard up where I am but that seems like a perfect time to find those spots where coyotes aren't and deer are.Coyote. have to be coming from somewhere to the yard.

If I had deer yards,Iwould hope that they would stay put till I was done.Some of the advice about making your own trails and,bait,skunk etc.,may be good options to experiment with.Be careful.

I don't know how seriously your wardens enforce that law but if they ever wanted to write a ticket,it would seem that an established deer yard would be a good place for it to happen,especially after an accident happens.Good luck.

Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6730878
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I know but "technically" what if a coyote came through first, isn't it a coyote trail that deer use as opposed to a deer trail that coyotes use?

if theres a deer track under your snare loop, the warden can call it a deer trail, and ticket you. and most will. its just not worth the trouble. Good answer!!!

And if you snare around deer you WILL catch some deer--aint worth it!!

Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6730932
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I agree with Newt, large baits (pail of deer guts is the best) back in the brush away from deer trails/activity. Snares on deer trails is just askin for trouble. Stick over snare is not a good idea, too many deer duck into the snare. Also the whole idea of the coyote snare is to have him walk into it as his attention is focused elsewhere. A stick makes him concentrate their eyesight at least for an instant on where the snare is, hense they go around. Breakaways are not reliable, 99% work as they should but with my luck the one that fails is the one where I need it!

Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6730972
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backroadsarcher---you're situation sounds similar to here where deer population is astronomical. we are forced to use 285# bads with 4.25" dog stop for cable restraints. as mentioned by others the actual performance of break aways can be all over the place. size of deer somewhat impacts it but from what i see the ground conditions are the biggest issue for me. more ice on the surface less likely even the bigger deer pop them open. eventhough they arent perfect i wouldnt want to run without them in heavy deer country.

not sure if its possible in your country but you may want to consider approaching this by looking at their movement on major travel ways. i personally don't like to trap coyotes in confined quarters where they are feeding or hanging out but rather grab them when on the move and that's even more so for me when snaring as even if the deer doesnt end up in the snare it often moves things out of place and requires your attention. getting away from the dense holding areas and out in the open sometimes helps me avoid some of the deer. but i also don't have the snow you likely have so that may make my approach worthless for you. we seldom have snow that dictates travel patterns here at least not for more than a very small 7-10 day window.

i don't use the baiting approach here. hasnt proven itself as an effective strategy where i live due to the vast amount of available food and the relatively mild weather in the grand scheme of things. with harsh winter sounds like other guys from minnesota are suggesting it so even with an enormous deer population maybe that will be your ticket.

Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6731320
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Crawl unders are great places to snare.

Deer and coyotes using the same crawl under?
I have a method of avoding the deer and catching the coyote.
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Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6731349
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It sounds like some footholds may be a better option. I know they are a bigger PITA than a snare but it sounds like a better option.


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Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6732670
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Thanks for all the info guys. I know it is tough this time of the year. I wont hang deer trails. Even snaring in the proximity of deer with snow we have and are going to get, you break a trail in and out of thick brush to hang on a coyote trail the deer will follow you right in. Footholds is probably the best bet but this time of the year I have no experience in this deep of snow with them. I think I will try to work on a solution before next season. Pick a lot of brains do a lot of reading.

Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6732906
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Get rid of all the deer first then set for the coyotes.


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Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6732919
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Good Idea Boco.

I've placed out large bait piles and had just as many deer investigate them as coyotes.


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Re: New Snare [Re: Newt] #6732940
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Originally Posted by Newt
Crawl unders are great places to snare.

Deer and coyotes using the same crawl under?
I have a method of avoding the deer and catching the coyote.
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Come and see SOUTH JERSEY TRAPPING and SNARING SCHOOL. Jan. 24-26
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I got an antelope in wy that way

Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6733091
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Boco the people in this area treat the deer just about as good as they treat their kids. I would like to be able to go into areas that have complaints and help them out but the deer population doesn't sit well with me.

Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6733101
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Do the deer yard up in winter there?


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Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6733106
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Yes where ever there in abundant farm crops left. This area has a lot of corn standing.

Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6733295
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In farm ground with standing crops your not going to have deer yarding up. They come and go but they aren't confined to a certain area like Boco Is relating to.

Use some cable restraints with a BAD and a deer stop and set where ever you see a coyote track. Don't worry about a deer till you catch one.


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Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6733716
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This area what I am talking about is about 80 acres. 20 acres of corn standing and the rest is pine plantation. I would bet there is 30 - 50 deer in there. You go beyond that there is hardly a deer track. I would say they are fairly confined to that area. Trails are 1 - 2 ft wide and packed with scattered tracks through out.

Re: New Snare [Re: Colter Benson] #6733748
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Jump sticks catch more deer than they deter. Deer stops on your loops are your friends. Just set the trails and reset after the knock downs by the deer.

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Re: New Snare [Re: backroadsarcher] #6733837
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Just a thought, archery season here goes till end of February. If i neck caught a deer and shot it with an arrow(during shooting hours) and tagged it......? One of those thoughts that run through the head


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