Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
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01/18/20 04:42 PM
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Very dissapointed selling to groenwald. 11 yotes all good none rubbed.(granted not all top end but a few real good ones. Two blondes I know would be cheap) All coon were large boars. Everything sold green. I will make sure I never sell to that buyer again. I believe his name was hunter. Never seen so many guys take back fur out of the truck. Should have pulled everything back out of the truck. He said his top yotes are $40 and top coons are $10. All prime December Wisconsin fur
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale ast night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/18/20 04:53 PM
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You sold green.Skin'n is the eazy part of the put up. What did you expect ? TOP price for green pelts ?
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale ast night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/18/20 05:17 PM
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Grony was paying $15 for big bores a month ago. Myself and another trapper sold to them Thursday. I was satisfied with my coyotes, but we were both not happy with the coon prices. $10 tops, even for big boars, when questioned the buyer said wrong color. They also comment one sow bellies not being well furred. When is the belly fur used??? Never? I had 2 badgers, frozen whole. One was small and grayish, the other big, white belly and white tipped guard hairs. $4 and $8, said they don't have an outlet for badger. But advertise they buy them. I should have taken the big one back and had it tanned.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale ast night.....
[Re: Newt]
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01/18/20 05:33 PM
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You sold green.Skin'n is the eazy part of the put up. What did you expect ? TOP price for green pelts ? Settle down there buddy. If you have been paying attention to the Facebook live posts they do that buyer is about $10-15 low on yotes and $5 lower on coon then the other buyers have been in the past month.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale ast night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/18/20 07:15 PM
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Trevor Barnes. Look him up. He travels to buy and if he comes close to go he will pay more than GFW for sure. He does all his own buying when he travels. I also agree that selling green is not the best option. Easier to refuse a buyer's offer when you can take dried finished fur home and store it easier than green.
Wish I had more time to trap....
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale ast night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/18/20 07:15 PM
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I get that you didn't get what you expected. I don't get the buyer being at fault. You either accept the offer or not. That's the way it works.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale ast night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/18/20 07:50 PM
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You sold green.Skin'n is the eazy part of the put up. What did you expect ? TOP price for green pelts ? Settle down there buddy. If you have been paying attention to the Facebook live posts they do that buyer is about $10-15 low on yotes and $5 lower on coon then the other buyers have been in the past month. Some of the reports say that GFW has been paying $100 or better on some coyotes too but there is no way you can compare that to what you got. You were offered less than you expected yet you sold them for the offered prices anyway. A trip to the mirror might be in order.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale ast night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/18/20 08:13 PM
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My buddy sold to groney last night. Got a $4.40 average on rats and a top of $5.50 but when he went back to his truck he noticed that was for 35 rats not the 45 he offered. Went back and raised some cane but the buyer offered him another $25.00 for the 10 missing rats and said they would count them when they got back. I wouldn't be holding my breath.
Had 3 coon 2 at $10.00 one at $5.00 and one coyote at $50.00 1 at $30.00 and 1 at $7.00 all put up fur.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: strike2x]
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01/18/20 09:22 PM
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Trevor Barnes. Look him up. He travels to buy and if he comes close to go he will pay more than GFW for sure. He does all his own buying when he travels. I also agree that selling green is not the best option. Easier to refuse a buyer's offer when you can take dried finished fur home and store it easier than green. I will be taking some fur to him at the end of this month. I hope to get a good price he made it sound real good when I talk to him on the phone.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/18/20 09:39 PM
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The right to refuse comes to mind, there's more than one buyer out there.
Let me sugar coat this
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
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01/18/20 09:39 PM
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The right to refuse comes to mind, there's more than one buyer out there. X2
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: AJE]
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01/19/20 08:01 AM
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That would be interesting to see a state auction. We have nothing if that sort. We don't have anything either. Wish we did.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: 3togo]
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01/19/20 11:14 AM
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As stated before, some of us do not have the facilities to finish fur, that's why we sell green. LDW, nice looking coyotes. We're just not far enough west to get better grades. I paid a guy to put up mine this year. I am working on a building to do it in but just haven't got it ready yet. I paid 4 apiece for cat and coyotes to get them put up. I then traded the glands and skulls to get the price down. The gland and skulls and one set if skunk pods gave me a big break in price. Got 5 dollar for the pods, 12.50 a 16oz glands and 2 dollar a skull.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: AJE]
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01/19/20 11:17 AM
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Barnes sure sounds good. Maybe he'll expand his route next year. You should call and talk to him. He has a bigger rout then what is on the web site
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/19/20 11:17 PM
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Trevor's explanation, mike, would be valuable. Nice
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/20/20 08:37 AM
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You sold green.Skin'n is the eazy part of the put up. What did you expect ? TOP price for green pelts ? Settle down there buddy. If you have been paying attention to the Facebook live posts they do that buyer is about $10-15 low on yotes and $5 lower on coon then the other buyers have been in the past month. FACEBOOK ? Never I wont even read a text. If it more than 5 words long If I aint good enough to talk to. DONT BOTHER ME Why did you sell? Your truck only hulls fur one way ?
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: AJE]
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01/20/20 10:03 AM
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That would be interesting to see a state auction. We have nothing if that sort. We use to have them but there was regulation In our state laws where we had to quit. bblwi might have more information on this.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: wipy]
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01/20/20 02:21 PM
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wipy i'm just curious what has your fur graded in the past not talking price that can be anywhere but color and guardhair/underfur quality should remain fairly stable in your area over time as it has in mine
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: 1weektrap]
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01/20/20 10:18 PM
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Is sold a couple weeks ago to Richard Clark out of Coleman Wi. I am pretty sure he said he was affiliated with Trevor Barnes. (4) coyotes at $40.00 ea. (4) 3XL coon at $15.00 ea. (2) mink at $3.00 ea and (47) rats at $3.52 ea average. All put up. I was good with the price and he was helpful with suggestions on the put-up. I've got a 1/2 doz years or so doing this so its nice for any hints etc. Just another option I guess.
Ahh, Clark is a good guy. Maybe Barnes will get bigger by finding intermediaries like Clark to help facilitate the process.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: wipy]
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On somewhat of a side note i have been seeing a bunch of horrible coyotes at the fur buyer recently. With the word out that Coyotes are worth a lot of money there are a lot of guys dog hunting and calling trying to sell dogs they think are worth a lot but aren't. Fist sized and larger holes in one or both sides shot three and four times and mange ridden dogs. Then they get a little disgruntled when they are offered $5 a dog or nothing. The amount of work to that needs to go into an animal that has that much damage if you can even work it is beyond them. There will be a lot of these dogs hitting the auctions as they are getting bought for nothing and hemmed up the best way possible.
I also think that with the trim market somewhat changing how we look at coyotes in general we are seeing dogs graded differently per the market they are in. Flat fur with little to no guard hairs just isn't worth much in this market. That is what I am seeing and being told anyways. I think the market is going to move more towards a bigger separation between good and bad as it progresses. My two cents. This will cause the buyers to be more leary of green fur they have to invest capital in on top of initial investment to gain return.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
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01/21/20 11:25 PM
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Him twisting your arm and breaking it is gonna cost more than what the fur was worth. Never could figure out that concept, and still cant.
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
[Re: wipy]
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Very dissapointed selling to groenwald. 11 yotes all good none rubbed.(granted not all top end but a few real good ones. Two blondes I know would be cheap) All coon were large boars. Everything sold green. I will make sure I never sell to that buyer again. I believe his name was hunter. Never seen so many guys take back fur out of the truck. Should have pulled everything back out of the truck. He said his top yotes are $40 and top coons are $10. All prime December Wisconsin fur That one $1 muskrat is interesting. Hmmm. I wonder if he's buying weasels
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Re: Dissapointed in fur sale last night.....
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On somewhat of a side note i have been seeing a bunch of horrible coyotes at the fur buyer recently. With the word out that Coyotes are worth a lot of money there are a lot of guys dog hunting and calling trying to sell dogs they think are worth a lot but aren't. Fist sized and larger holes in one or both sides shot three and four times and mange ridden dogs. Then they get a little disgruntled when they are offered $5 a dog or nothing. The amount of work to that needs to go into an animal that has that much damage if you can even work it is beyond them. There will be a lot of these dogs hitting the auctions as they are getting bought for nothing and hemmed up the best way possible.
I also think that with the trim market somewhat changing how we look at coyotes in general we are seeing dogs graded differently per the market they are in. Flat fur with little to no guard hairs just isn't worth much in this market. That is what I am seeing and being told anyways. I think the market is going to move more towards a bigger separation between good and bad as it progresses. My two cents. This will cause the buyers to be more leary of green fur they have to invest capital in on top of initial investment to gain return. Awesome points!!!! Blood and bullet holes will never sell good no matter how high the market is. Same with poorly put up fur. No but wants to pay premium prices for a pelt that has a good chance of slipping. And with the comment about the value gap between really good coyotes and decent coyotes is spot on. It’s what we are seeing with the cat market. The longer the prices are high for anything, the larger the price gap gets.
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