Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 09:52 AM
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If people are open minded we have a chance. But I have given up debating hard core progressive, liberal, socialist people. These people all I do now is quote the line from the movie “.The Last of The Mohicans,”, where Nathaniel says to Monroe’s daughter.
. “my father warned me of people like you, he said , do not try to understand them, and do not try to make them understand you. For they are a breed apart and make no sense.”
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 11:26 AM
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The antis can’t see past the end of their noses that’s when the feelings end and reality takes over and that they are not able to deal with it. They want it the way they want it but never consider the outcome of the actions they take or ignore the reality of the directions they want to take.
The idea is they interfere to change things even if it’s working well now then the get idea things will take care of themselves after they interfere with what’s been working well. Short visions not based in reality but feelings, let others do the real work then run it into the ground and walk away.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: HayDay]
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01/19/20 11:32 AM
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Agree the solution rests 100% with education. Most anti's are city dwellers with no clue about life the in the real world. Their views have been shaped by Bambi and anti propaganda.
It has been my experience that once they are directly affected in an adverse way, their views can change.
Case in point.....was watching a comedy movie last night......little Yorkie dog was caught by a coyote.........hero saved the day by shooting at the coyote, who dropped little fur ball and all was well. But show the coyote killing and eating little fur ball, depict scene as it would be in real life with fur ball screaming in terror and being ripped to shreds........sentiment changes. Lots of coons showing up in TV and print ads these days......fun little pranksters. But show same coons on a tear in a chicken house killing chickens........and sentiment changes.
Public sees one and not the other. Public is pretty smart when they get the facts.........and to date.......that rarely happens. I agree. The public needs see the elk killed by wolf packs, pet killed by coyotes, bird nests destroyed by 'coons etc. It will have to be done by the hunting/trapping community. Entertainment television shows and movies cannot be expected to show such things, they'd lose their audience.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 11:45 AM
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Most medium size cities have out-door-show. They cover fishing, hunting, guide services est. I will use the Michigan Hawking Club as an example. In Michigan there is a business that organizes ODS. Seeing that the MHC is a non-profit they provide the club with free space and provide table and anything else we need. I am sure any trapping club could do the same, the only restriction I think there is you can not ask for donation. They are three day events, on Sunday it is kids day. A lot of mother bring there kids. I would think it would be great to show people how you can release a bob cat using a tote. You have to use your words wisely. Have a professional portable display made, they are not cheap. Look at attending gun show, out door events. We have art fair a lot around me Humane Society with pets but are not a part of the art fair, County fairs.
Making money, I was into and still into Falconry. The biggest money makers are raffles at our Hunting Meet. It is done a couple was. The people that are attending are ask to bring a item to be raffled off. Some venders donate to the raffle. Then there is vender night. You by tickets, all vender put out one item with a cup in front of the item, if you want to take a chance on getting that item you put as many tickets in the cup.
Game dinners is another big one, with a raffle.
*You are never to old to Vote.*
To Old U.S. Army 60-63 SGT.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 12:31 PM
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Great information, Thanks for posting. I am going to there web site for more information.
*Get involved in the Voting Process.*
To Old U.S. Army 60-63 SGT.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Getting There]
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01/19/20 02:11 PM
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*Get involved in the Voting Process.* This! Defeat them with law. Do not let them win at the local state or national level. Keep up with your game commission, legislature, DNR, etc whoever makes your game laws. Don't vote liberals into office.
Last edited by drasselt; 01/19/20 02:13 PM.
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: drasselt]
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01/19/20 05:48 PM
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*Get involved in the Voting Process.* This! Defeat them with law. Do not let them win at the local state or national level. Keep up with your game commission, legislature, DNR, etc whoever makes your game laws. Don't vote liberals into office. X2
To Old U.S. Army 60-63 SGT.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 06:02 PM
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Just read the title and scrolled straight to the bottom, so forgive me if this reply is out of context
... the absolute best way to fight an anti is to square up... then say “ Look! There’s a gluten free , vegan , gay pride, Martin Luther king parade goin on over there! “
... when they turn to look , bust a lone star longneck over their head and drop a map back to California
Insert profound nonsense here
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Savell]
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01/19/20 06:05 PM
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Just read the title and scrolled straight to the bottom, so forgive me if this reply is out of context
... the absolute best way to fight an anti is to square up... then say “ Look! There’s a gluten free , vegan , gay pride, Martin Luther king parade goin on over there! “
... when they turn to look , bust a lone star longneck over their head and drop a map back to California Couldn’t agree more
Advice? Wise men don't need it. Fools won't heed it.
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 06:06 PM
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Buck (Zandra)
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While I agree with basically everything mentioned,the key here is to be informed and proactive.We can't even get guys to join an association.
Buck(formely known as Zandra)
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 06:27 PM
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I lost a puppy to a rabid fox last year. It had it's rabies shots, but only for 5 days, not the required 2 weeks. Had to put him down. Let's start posting on YouTube videos of why we trap, all the normal reasons: management of population of furbearers, monetary gain, recreation, etc., but let's also start posting videos of the damage they can cause when left unmanaged. I will post a video showing some pictures of Silas, the puppy, tell how tore up my wife and kids were, then show the management I have begun in reducing the fox population in the area around the village since then, and I will show a video of our replacement for Silas, Coco, our chocolate lab. Someone post a video of some chicken coops ravaged by coons and the trapping that you did to remedy the problem, with a healthy chicken coops as a result. Someone else post about coyotes attacking calves, etc. , let's flood YouTube.
Psalm 34:6
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Re: best way to fight anti
[Re: Trapper Dahlgren]
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01/19/20 06:37 PM
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If we can get at least 10 videos of the damage caused by unmanaged fur bearers, and trapping as a remedy for this situation, I think we can reach millions with this. Let's be smart about it, have it stated in the title the trouble, with trapping or predator calling as the cure, and try not to be attacking anti's too much in the video; remember, we are trying to change their minds through education, not entrench them deeper in their ideology. I pledge to make a video, and I've never made one before. Who else? Maybe we should start a new thread for this purpose?
Psalm 34:6
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