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best way to fight anti #6735397
01/19/20 08:59 AM
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I believe we need to educate the general pubic , the ones that are open minded an , don't have there minds made up for them all ready , [anti ]. Ones that will listen an think on there own an the best way to do this is to get some money behind us , one the best money maker nta has is there cash calendar . Another is fbu banquet , another is nta convention if they are attend good . But these are not enough or we need to sell more calendar , an have more banquet , I believe we need more banquets . Its a way we can get the non trapper [ hunter fisherman an other outdoor people to support trapping ] What do you guys do to make money for your clubs ?

Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735426
01/19/20 09:21 AM
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In addition to the money aspect of educating the public, is well, educating the public. I like to help when the ITA has a booth at outdoor shows or whatever. Lots of people are drawn to the display of native furs, and love to touch them. Many are astounded that some of those animals live in the state. They ask a lot of questions, and most are genuinely interested. I figure most of these people will never be trappers, but at least they are less likely to be anti-trappers.

Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735503
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yes trapdog talking with the public , is great we do it with our club just about every month some way , we have a great group volunteers , but we need to get to the city people we need tv an internet

Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735517
01/19/20 09:52 AM
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If people are open minded we have a chance. But I have given up debating hard core progressive, liberal, socialist people. These people all I do now is quote the line from the movie “.The Last of The Mohicans,”, where Nathaniel says to Monroe’s daughter.

. “my father warned me of people like you, he said , do not try to understand them, and do not try to make them understand you. For they are a breed apart and make no sense.”

Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735528
01/19/20 09:58 AM
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right squash but the person that is open to talk ,an under stand , that's the person we need to convince ,what we do is important to the health of all the animals

Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735626
01/19/20 10:57 AM
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Agree the solution rests 100% with education. Most anti's are city dwellers with no clue about life the in the real world. Their views have been shaped by Bambi and anti propaganda.

It has been my experience that once they are directly affected in an adverse way, their views can change.

Case in point.....was watching a comedy movie last night......little Yorkie dog was caught by a coyote.........hero saved the day by shooting at the coyote, who dropped little fur ball and all was well. But show the coyote killing and eating little fur ball, depict scene as it would be in real life with fur ball screaming in terror and being ripped to shreds........sentiment changes. Lots of coons showing up in TV and print ads these days......fun little pranksters. But show same coons on a tear in a chicken house killing chickens........and sentiment changes.

Public sees one and not the other. Public is pretty smart when they get the facts.........and to date.......that rarely happens.

Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735644
01/19/20 11:11 AM
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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735673
01/19/20 11:26 AM
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The antis can’t see past the end of their noses that’s when the feelings end and reality takes over and that they are not able to deal with it. They want it the way they want it but never consider the outcome of the actions they take or ignore the reality of the directions they want to take.

The idea is they interfere to change things even if it’s working well now then the get idea things will take care of themselves after they interfere with what’s been working well. Short visions not based in reality but feelings, let others do the real work then run it into the ground and walk away.


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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: HayDay] #6735684
01/19/20 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by HayDay
Agree the solution rests 100% with education. Most anti's are city dwellers with no clue about life the in the real world. Their views have been shaped by Bambi and anti propaganda.

It has been my experience that once they are directly affected in an adverse way, their views can change.

Case in point.....was watching a comedy movie last night......little Yorkie dog was caught by a coyote.........hero saved the day by shooting at the coyote, who dropped little fur ball and all was well. But show the coyote killing and eating little fur ball, depict scene as it would be in real life with fur ball screaming in terror and being ripped to shreds........sentiment changes. Lots of coons showing up in TV and print ads these days......fun little pranksters. But show same coons on a tear in a chicken house killing chickens........and sentiment changes.

Public sees one and not the other. Public is pretty smart when they get the facts.........and to date.......that rarely happens.


I agree. The public needs see the elk killed by wolf packs, pet killed by coyotes, bird nests destroyed by 'coons etc. It will have to be done by the hunting/trapping community. Entertainment television shows and movies cannot be expected to show such things, they'd lose their audience.

Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735705
01/19/20 11:45 AM
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Most medium size cities have out-door-show. They cover fishing, hunting, guide services est. I will use the Michigan Hawking Club as an example. In Michigan there is a business that organizes ODS. Seeing that the MHC is a non-profit they provide the club with free space and provide table and anything else we need. I am sure any trapping club could do the same, the only restriction I think there is you can not ask for donation. They are three day events, on Sunday it is kids day. A lot of mother bring there kids.
I would think it would be great to show people how you can release a bob cat using a tote. You have to use your words wisely. Have a professional portable display made, they are not cheap. Look at attending gun show, out door events. We have art fair a lot around me Humane Society with pets but are not a part of the art fair, County fairs.

Making money, I was into and still into Falconry. The biggest money makers are raffles at our Hunting Meet. It is done a couple was. The people that are attending are ask to bring a item to be raffled off. Some venders donate to the raffle. Then there is vender night. You by tickets, all vender put out one item with a cup in front of the item, if you want to take a chance on getting that item you put as many tickets in the cup.

Game dinners is another big one, with a raffle.

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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735729
01/19/20 12:03 PM
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I use this fact sheet from Huntfortruth.org when talking to landowners... I don't know a lot about the organization but there's a good amount of detail on their site. It would also be nice if some of the reality tv shows that include trapping and wilderness living would discuss more about renewal resources, rather than the disclaimers for graphic nature of the process.


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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6735764
01/19/20 12:31 PM
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Great information, Thanks for posting. I am going to there web site for more information.

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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Getting There] #6735886
01/19/20 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Getting There
*Get involved in the Voting Process.*


This!

Defeat them with law.

Do not let them win at the local state or national level.

Keep up with your game commission, legislature, DNR, etc whoever makes your game laws.

Don't vote liberals into office.

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you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
Re: best way to fight anti [Re: drasselt] #6736191
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Originally Posted by drasselt
Originally Posted by Getting There
*Get involved in the Voting Process.*


This!

Defeat them with law.

Do not let them win at the local state or national level.

Keep up with your game commission, legislature, DNR, etc whoever makes your game laws.

Don't vote liberals into office.



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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6736210
01/19/20 06:02 PM
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Just read the title and scrolled straight to the bottom, so forgive me if this reply is out of context

... the absolute best way to fight an anti is to square up... then say “ Look! There’s a gluten free , vegan , gay pride, Martin Luther king parade goin on over there! “

... when they turn to look , bust a lone star longneck over their head and drop a map back to California


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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Savell] #6736212
01/19/20 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Savell
Just read the title and scrolled straight to the bottom, so forgive me if this reply is out of context

... the absolute best way to fight an anti is to square up... then say “ Look! There’s a gluten free , vegan , gay pride, Martin Luther king parade goin on over there! “

... when they turn to look , bust a lone star longneck over their head and drop a map back to California

Couldn’t agree more


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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6736213
01/19/20 06:06 PM
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While I agree with basically everything mentioned,the key here is to be informed and proactive.We can't even get guys to join an association.


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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6736246
01/19/20 06:27 PM
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I lost a puppy to a rabid fox last year. It had it's rabies shots, but only for 5 days, not the required 2 weeks. Had to put him down. Let's start posting on YouTube videos of why we trap, all the normal reasons: management of population of furbearers, monetary gain, recreation, etc., but let's also start posting videos of the damage they can cause when left unmanaged. I will post a video showing some pictures of Silas, the puppy, tell how tore up my wife and kids were, then show the management I have begun in reducing the fox population in the area around the village since then, and I will show a video of our replacement for Silas, Coco, our chocolate lab. Someone post a video of some chicken coops ravaged by coons and the trapping that you did to remedy the problem, with a healthy chicken coops as a result. Someone else post about coyotes attacking calves, etc. , let's flood YouTube.


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Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6736253
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Do you really think they’ll get upset over a puppy, or chickens, or calves, when they’ll kill human babies by the thousands?

Re: best way to fight anti [Re: Trapper Dahlgren] #6736259
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If we can get at least 10 videos of the damage caused by unmanaged fur bearers, and trapping as a remedy for this situation, I think we can reach millions with this. Let's be smart about it, have it stated in the title the trouble, with trapping or predator calling as the cure, and try not to be attacking anti's too much in the video; remember, we are trying to change their minds through education, not entrench them deeper in their ideology. I pledge to make a video, and I've never made one before. Who else? Maybe we should start a new thread for this purpose?


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