The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 06:26 AM
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Good morning boys and girls, just another great PR report. In my experiences a big part of learning how to trap is figuring out where NOT to set just as much as learning the right places to set. Away from other humans as much as possible. Good thing it wasn't actually a "snare", the UN would be involved by now and there would be rallies and new laws. DO SOMETHING! The horror, the horror! Here we go have a look at how this got reported... Woman and Dog Injured by a TrapA South Dakota woman and her dog were injured on Friday after reportedly getting snared in an animal trap while hiking in the Black Hills National Forest. The comments below the "reporting" (and I use that term loosely) make me kind of want to encourage the Disney generation to go out and hug bears and mountain lions.... Except I actually Love quite a few of them. Her and Toto are avid hikers and I'm all for it. Still you're in a National FOREST in the winter, when trapping is open, ignorant to the reality around you, and now..... Traumatized.....after prying the jaws of death open and getting your pinkies stuck in it, then committing larceny and violating game laws. But WE are the bad guys!?????
Keep your boots dry and your powder too.
I remember when a fur check was reality.....now I'm just trapping for the love of it.
Best Regards,
JT
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: JTaddeo]
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01/20/20 06:45 AM
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Might not be the wisest place to set, but as the official claimed it was legal. I didn't read no mention of broken paws,or fingers. No mention of any bloody lacerations? Multi-use land ??
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: JTaddeo]
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01/20/20 07:43 AM
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I saw this in the news this morning and came here to see what was being discussed. I’m pretty disappointed the NTA does nothing to take these opportunities to educate the public about what went wrong in these cases and what the law is. We need to protect our heritage and allowing stuff like this in the news with no response is foolish at best. Defend our heritage! Speak for the masses. This kind of publicity is what will end trapping for good. SMDH.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. " --Mark Twain.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: JTaddeo]
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01/20/20 07:49 AM
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Yep, it was National Forest Land in fact but I definitely do not recommend trapping on the "human trails", legal or not. For this very reason in fact. The "reporting" says the injuries were minor, I'm glad that Tiger and his master are OK actually, but I'm saying that reporting like this is far from "minor". The comments shown below the report tells the tale of the effects on the public. It's a wonderful world of perceptions out there.
Keep your boots dry and your powder too.
I remember when a fur check was reality.....now I'm just trapping for the love of it.
Best Regards,
JT
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: Scout1]
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01/20/20 07:51 AM
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Might not be the wisest place to set, but as the official claimed it was legal. I didn't read no mention of broken paws,or fingers. No mention of any bloody lacerations? Multi-use land ?? Exactly. Just because it's legal to set there doesn't make it right for trapping. We've got a few You Tube bozos who promote setting in multi-use areas. Stupid.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: JTaddeo]
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01/20/20 07:53 AM
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I call major BS on this women's story.
Look her up. She has multiple arts degrees. Her artwork is mostly animals. The style is impressism, like Salvador Dali's. Which to me is a bit weird type of art , never been a fan of Dali's work , it's just strange. She also holds certification as a licensed counselor , dealing in anxiety and depression. If she deals with people with anxiety , why would she flip out when her dog got caught ?
I'm not doubting that much that her dog got caught in a trap , but the way she tells the story makes me think how much of the story is true knowing her backstory.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: JTaddeo]
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01/20/20 08:02 AM
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The piles of shotgun shells was a nice topper to the story. Again. Where is the NTA? You can not only educate those that come to you! Keep doing things the same way this will be a moot subject because trapping will be gone.
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. " --Mark Twain.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: Rye]
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01/20/20 08:08 AM
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The piles of shotgun shells was a nice topper to the story. Again. Where is the NTA? You can not only educate those that come to you! Keep doing things the same way this will be a moot subject because trapping will be gone. Again , more questions to her story. Who would set a trap near shotgun shells ? Even if you set a trap there , you would remove the shells somebody left behind as you would not want the odor nearby.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 08:57 AM
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I just read it on Fox News and slipped over here to see if someone posted it. I was 1/3 the way through when I called bs. Pretty sure the South Dakota DNR should ask her a few more questions.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 09:51 AM
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The way the first part of the story is not right from the start when they state that the animal was snared, not foot caught in a trap. As for what she said about the dog get caught in the trap for how it acted is normal when I had some years ago get caught just after I just caught the trap and was in another area of the farm and hear them get caught and how they where till they relax from the first caught shock.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: JTaddeo]
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01/20/20 10:50 AM
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Do not all states require name tags or owner ID of some sort? If the trap had a tag on it this would answer alot of questions but I'm calling BS on her story. Sad part is the damage is done and it'll take alot to change minds.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 11:02 AM
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Might not be the wisest place to set, but as the official claimed it was legal. I didn't read no mention of broken paws,or fingers. No mention of any bloody lacerations? Multi-use land ?? Exactly. Just because it's legal to set there doesn't make it right for trapping. We've got a few You Tube bozos who promote setting in multi-use areas. Stupid. x2
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: Rye]
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01/20/20 12:28 PM
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I’m pretty disappointed the NTA does nothing to take these opportunities to educate the public about what went wrong in these cases and what the law is. We need to protect our heritage and allowing stuff like this in the news with no response is foolish at best. Defend our heritage! Speak for the masses. This kind of publicity is what will end trapping for good. SMDH. Rye what did the NTA say when you called them? I understand your frustration BUT ... Whenever a local story makes it to Fox News it seems they run with the original. So in this case the story quoted SD DNR. I seriously doubt the original paper called NTA for comment??? Sooooo....how would NTA know? It is a simple thing to pick up the phone and call an NTA officer or Rep.
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 12:31 PM
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The story does not add up as written.
First, how did she get the dog out and her finger in if she didn't push down the springs?
Then if she did get a finger in, how did she open both springs....with one hand?
Sounds like a lot of BS and DRAMA. Brings to mind the Kavanaugh circus.
you can vote your way into socialism, but you will have to shoot your way out.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: adam m]
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01/20/20 12:33 PM
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Is there a setback rule for traps near trails?
This situation is common here. People don't stay on the trails, walk their dogs (non hunting) off leash and the dog gets caught. I caught someones dog my trap was about 100 yds off trail. I have been hunting and had dogs that were hiking ruin my hunts. I had one dog running full speed barking at me I drew my arrow back then comes the owner. I told the owner get the dog back now or they will get it back with an arrow wound.
At the trapping rules regulation proposal meeting I went to recently (posted about it) I mentioned that the common denominator with this is 2 fold...... It is people walking their dogs off leash off trail and 2) people here have no idea hunting trapping and fishing may be occurring and that signage at popular areas (especially in areas like the ones being proposed to be closed) stating something like "warning, hunting trapping and fishing may be occurring please keep dogs on leash,It is illegal to interfere or harass hunters, trappers and anglers. I gave several examples of dogs off leash ruining hunts getting caught in traps as well as dog feces all over the place. The meeting had about 2 anti's to trappers.
Another thing that was brought up was educating the public Good on you Adam! Trappers need to be proactive.
Last edited by drasselt; 01/20/20 01:05 PM.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 03:38 PM
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 03:54 PM
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Adam , good post/points. These same irresponsible people with dogs will tear down those same warning signs and fight to get the sportsmen kicked out. They want to let their dogs to do want ever they want to do including chasing game. " Oh look , Fido is having fun chasing animals " We don't trap or hunt in their ' bark parks ' Maybe we should ban dogs in these areas and put them in the bark parks where they belong. Good point for all to mention to their respective DNR as even if there is no hunting/trapping in a given area , it is bad for game to be harassed.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 06:17 PM
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This isn't being tried in a court of law, rather being viewed in the court of public opinion. There are less than 200,000 licensed trappers in the US and there are 90 million dogs with owners that vote. There is no furbearer on or near public trails worth risking my or fellow trappers legal right to trap.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: FairbanksLS]
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01/20/20 07:34 PM
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This isn't being tried in a court of law, rather being viewed in the court of public opinion. There are less than 200,000 licensed trappers in the US and there are 90 million dogs with owners that vote. There is no furbearer on or near public trails worth risking my or fellow trappers legal right to trap. This should be on a plaque! Very well stated. In fact all of the input here is really good stuff that I think ALL of us need to deeply consider. I just paid to renew my PTA membership....
Keep your boots dry and your powder too.
I remember when a fur check was reality.....now I'm just trapping for the love of it.
Best Regards,
JT
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 07:47 PM
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This isn't the same story Is it Can't post the link,
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: JTaddeo]
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01/20/20 07:50 PM
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No the one I saw was South Dakota. We got an operation going on?
Of course it is trapping season...
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Keep your boots dry and your powder too.
I remember when a fur check was reality.....now I'm just trapping for the love of it.
Best Regards,
JT
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 07:59 PM
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The reporting shares similarities though, at least enough for me to take notice, interesting.
Keep your boots dry and your powder too.
I remember when a fur check was reality.....now I'm just trapping for the love of it.
Best Regards,
JT
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
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01/20/20 08:15 PM
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I live next to 180 acres of yellowwood national forest and there is one main trail that runs through it. I have gained permission from the manager to trap there but I can only use DP’s on land, at least 1000 ft from the trail and I can use snares for beaver on the waterways but they have to be at least half submerged and all trap areas have to be marked with orange. Thankfully non hunters stay on the trail(I never do lol) but still the rules are there for a reason. A bummer for yote trapping but I can now hunt them there so yeah(they roam unchecked and are way to many. I hear them all the time back there and there are a ton! Good luck guys!
New trapper! Really excited to learn!
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: Marten Ted]
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Like it or not, in this day and age we HAVE TO be very careful where we set traps. Legal or not every dog that gets caught is one step closer to having our right to trap taken away. I am very fourtunate in my state to have vast amounts of BLM and NTL forest land to trap where I don’t have to worry about catching pets. And anyone else that has opportunities to trap places that are dog free or at very least low risk, must do the same. As trappers we need to educate the public about how to easily release a dog from a foothold trap and snares unharmed and teach people that these traps are not what they think. Fair or not, legal or not, DO THE RIGHT THING. As trappers we need to be proactive. The only way to save trapping is to educate the public on the reality of trapping, not what the antis would have them believe. It is up to us as trappers to save this tradition for future generations to enjoy. Period. Every time you set a trap where someone’s dog could be you are jeopardizing trapping as a whole. We need to educate the public, make smart decisions, and save trapping. Either trap smart or don’t ruin it for all of us that do. Well said
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: drasselt]
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I’m pretty disappointed the NTA does nothing to take these opportunities to educate the public about what went wrong in these cases and what the law is. We need to protect our heritage and allowing stuff like this in the news with no response is foolish at best. Defend our heritage! Speak for the masses. This kind of publicity is what will end trapping for good. SMDH. Rye what did the NTA say when you called them? I understand your frustration BUT ... Whenever a local story makes it to Fox News it seems they run with the original. So in this case the story quoted SD DNR. I seriously doubt the original paper called NTA for comment??? Sooooo....how would NTA know? It is a simple thing to pick up the phone and call an NTA officer or Rep. Before I began trapping, I'd never heard of the NTA. Since I became a trapper, the only thing I know the NTA does is hold an annual meeting and give input on the trapping manual most states use. Educate me. To answer your question, did I call them, no. I did not. Should I, or anyone else here have? Probably. Doesn't change the question though. Did this really slip by them? Did they not reach out to the reporter for corrective, or counter opinion?
"Don't go around saying the world owes you a living; the world owes you nothing; it was here first. " --Mark Twain.
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Re: The Kind of News we DON'T NEED
[Re: Marten Ted]
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Like it or not, in this day and age we HAVE TO be very careful where we set traps. Legal or not every dog that gets caught is one step closer to having our right to trap taken away. I am very fourtunate in my state to have vast amounts of BLM and NTL forest land to trap where I don’t have to worry about catching pets. And anyone else that has opportunities to trap places that are dog free or at very least low risk, must do the same. As trappers we need to educate the public about how to easily release a dog from a foothold trap and snares unharmed and teach people that these traps are not what they think. Fair or not, legal or not, DO THE RIGHT THING. As trappers we need to be proactive. The only way to save trapping is to educate the public on the reality of trapping, not what the antis would have them believe. It is up to us as trappers to save this tradition for future generations to enjoy. Period. Every time you set a trap where someone’s dog could be you are jeopardizing trapping as a whole. We need to educate the public, make smart decisions, and save trapping. Either trap smart or don’t ruin it for all of us that do. I agree 1000%
"There is value in any experience that exercises those ethical restraints collectively called sportsmanship."- Aldo Leopold
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