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Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738728
01/21/20 03:11 PM
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It doesn't sound like you had read the trapping regulations prior to when the warden showed you the code. If you had, do you think you would have still set traps where you did?

Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738740
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The regulations posted on the state game website never stated anything about trap placement. I read what was online top to bottom. Just like criminal and traffic laws in this state 90% of all code is not readily available to non LE.


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Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738767
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Fight it, that's a clear conflict of interest.


Every kid needs a Dog and a Curmudgeon.

Remember Bowe Bergdahl, the traitor.

Beware! Jill Pudlewski, Ron Oates and Keven Begesse are liars and thiefs!
Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738773
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Originally Posted by lonewolf308
The regulations posted on the state game website never stated anything about trap placement. I read what was online top to bottom. Just like criminal and traffic laws in this state 90% of all code is not readily available to non LE.



if that is the case and they have online regs print them all and take them to court

if you had no way of knowing the law because it is somehow a secret or kept form you then you have a case


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738828
01/21/20 04:57 PM
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Man, and I thought NY was bad, looks like VA wants to take over the top spot on liberal lunacy.

Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738829
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I'd fight it.


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Re: Opinions [Re: Law Dog] #6738840
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Without a set measurement it’s all about opinion the CO writing a ticket he has any involvement in is just dumb to many personal issues and open to abuse of power it being his own dog.


"Abuse of power" impeach him. Actually based on the law as written it is within his authority to write the ticket.


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Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738863
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It would be interesting to know why he was there. Does he live nearby. Was he on duty and the state pays him to walk his dog? Or maybe more likely someone tipped him off that you were trapping in there and you became the trappee instead of the trapper. Maybe used the dog to find your trap. How long had you been set up there, caught anything yet, any fired traps, maybe caught someone elses pet? If you have money and time you might see what a judge has to say. Otherwise lick your wounds and payup and maybe have the satisfaction you are helping your state meet its payroll and pensions. Did he give you a break and could he have fined you for more.

Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738866
01/21/20 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by lonewolf308
Ok to answer some questions, it was on a WMA (wildlife management area) not a state park. There's no leash law, and there's no defined walking path just tractor paths through a pine thicket and around the plowed field. The code section reads like this.To set a trap where it would be likely to injure persons, dogs, stock, or fowl.



You need to contact your DNR responsible for the management of the particular WMA Immediately. You were engaged in a Wildlife Related Activity on a WMA which receives Wildlife Restoration Funds (Pitman Robertson). Your activity is absolutely covered as a primary use on a WMA. Walking a dog, whether leased or not, it is referred to as a Non-wildlife depended activity, which never takes precedent over a Wildlife Related Activity. Doing so can be considered a divergence of funds and your State could be jeopardizing Federal Funding.

Like I said, you need to contact the Wildlife Manager for the Region of that particular WMA and explain the situation.



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Re: Opinions [Re: AntiGov] #6738870
01/21/20 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Originally Posted by M.Magis
Without knowing the regulations, all we can do is speculate. But with our regulations here in Ohio, setting a trap within a foot of a public trail commonly used by people walking their dogs would get you a ticket as well.



Same here if it's a marked and or mapped public trail ....gotta be 50 ft from



NOT on a WMA...Designating a public foot on a WMA would be considered a divergence of federal funds and would jeopardize PR funding for your State...


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Re: Opinions [Re: FairbanksLS] #6738872
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Originally Posted by gray dog
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Without a set measurement it’s all about opinion the CO writing a ticket he has any involvement in is just dumb to many personal issues and open to abuse of power it being his own dog.


"Abuse of power" impeach him. Actually based on the law as written it is within his authority to write the ticket.



Never said he could not right a ticket I said it’s not a smart thing to do big difference.


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Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738880
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He was in duty I assume since he was in uniform and vehicle it's the second time I've ran into him there and he was walking his dog which I assume is LE I don't know about GW K9's. I will contact my DNR because I did see where WMA are restricted to fish or game licensed people and hunting takes precedence


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Re: Opinions [Re: canebrake] #6738882
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Originally Posted by canebrake
"To set a trap where it would be likely to injure persons, dogs, stock, or fowl."

What a stupid code. Entirely too much gray area. Somebody's dog could wander anywhere.

You have as much of a right to be there as he does.
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Actually Canebrake, He has MORE of a right to be there....


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Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738901
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Originally Posted by lonewolf308
He was in duty I assume since he was in uniform and vehicle it's the second time I've ran into him there and he was walking his dog which I assume is LE I don't know about GW K9's. I will contact my DNR because I did see where WMA are restricted to fish or game licensed people and hunting takes precedence


When you contact him or her use the terminology that I used in the above post. You were engaged in trapping in a WMA - A Wildlife Depended Activity and the Officer was walking his dog - a Non wildlife dependent activity. I expect your Wildlife Manager will be unhappy about the warden issuing a BS ticket and will help you resolve the issue, but if not, tell him or her you will be contacting the Chief of the Wildlife and Sport Fish Restoration Program at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service...



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Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738903
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I will type this slow for you, had he written a ticket out of anger or misrepresented the PC to base the ticket on because it was his dog that would be a abuse of power issue.


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Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738915
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I'm watching an impeachment trial alleging abuse of power. I find your opinion and Schiff's to be equal in value. smile


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Re: Opinions [Re: lonewolf308] #6738919
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Here

I was told most of this type of stuff is up to interpretation of the officer involved.

Crazy!

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Good luck

Re: Opinions [Re: BigBob] #6738928
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Originally Posted by BigBob
Fight it, that's a clear conflict of interest.


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Re: Opinions [Re: M.Magis] #6738931
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Originally Posted by M.Magis
here in Ohio, setting a trap within a foot of a public trail commonly used by people walking their dogs would get you a ticket as well.


Is there any place on earth including private, posted land where we trappers can set traps

and not have worry about trespassing people and their unleashed, not under control dogs

stepping in them and we're once again the bad guys ?

If there is, I have not found it yet.

Part of the reason I hung up my 500+ 1.5 coil springs and gave up fox trapping.

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