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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6688749
12/10/19 08:12 AM
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I'd call this a successful hunt great time with The Boy in the stand. He sure is excited about getting his chance to hunt deer next year.
https://youtu.be/skGNfXUkoXU


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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6738937
01/21/20 07:01 PM
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Overall kill down 14%. Local news story: https://fox11online.com/sports/deer-hunt/dnr-total-2019-wisconsin-deer-kill-down-14

County by County, Season by Season breakdown for those who are interested in the data:
https://dnr.wi.gov/topic/wildlifehabitat/harvest/deerharvest.html


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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739125
01/21/20 09:50 PM
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Yep late start to rifle season and bad weather. Still lots of deer according to WDNR

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739132
01/21/20 09:56 PM
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I harvested and registered 2 deer but really had to work hard for them. Heard from others that stated why even register them, we didn't! Makes you wonder how many other hunters fail to register the harvest or register their first bow kill deer but skip the rest! Just my opinion!

Chris


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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739158
01/21/20 10:16 PM
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In the grand scheme of things, I don't think it really matters if every hunter registers their deer. I for one will always register every one I get, but if even 10% of people don't, that's still fewer deer than get shwacked by cars every year. I don't condone it, but I dont think it's nearly as common as some people claim or fear it is.

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739163
01/21/20 10:19 PM
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Ok would be willing to bet at the very low end 30% don’t get registered. It is a huge amount.



Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739168
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Any evidence, any at all, to back that claim up? What do you "bet" it was when in person registration was required?

This is exactly what I'm talking about.

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739281
01/21/20 11:56 PM
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if there are so many they should just make the tags good till March 31 and close season when quota is met for a county.


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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739287
01/22/20 12:02 AM
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I keep hearing about the huge number of non registered deer. Yet everyone I know and communicate with reliably register. And for just me, that is a quite a few hunters. I don't buy the numbers claimed.

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739344
01/22/20 01:13 AM
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If there were or are nearly 2 million deer in WI and we kill about 300K per year we will not lower the population, especially in the highly productive areas where deer numbers are already above desired carrying capacities.
Another issue with many deer not being registered is that we lose track of the sex and age aspect of the herd. We have about 6 or more different deer hunting seasons with a very lose registration policy so we don't know which hunting method has the highest percentage of non registered deer. What we can anticipate from poorer data or less data is more range or variability in the hunting outcomes or success rates. I can remember in the 1980s and 1990s the DNR would estimate the number of deer harvested based on the data and information they collected. There were factors for weather etc. included and there were many seasons when their estimates were far less then 5% of their estimate. Today we can't even get to 25% and with the actions that we have taken we won't get more accurate until we can develop a statistical method that includes all the changes we have made in the seasons, methods and recordings. We also have to weigh the factor of how valuable is accuracy in managing a species? If not then we can just keep doing what we are doing. We also have to remember that lack of accuracy and or concern for accuracy can easily swing into other species, seasons and goals etc.

Bryce

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739348
01/22/20 01:16 AM
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The state believes they are north of 90% adherence to the registration requirement. Surveys and enforcement checks are how they feel like they have a good handle on it. That said, they didn't have any numbers on in person registration and adherence to that type of registration. That was in the deer hunting presentation to the NRB today. Tomorrow the board looks at possible changes. Might be a good meeting to listen to.


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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Bear Tracker] #6739467
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Originally Posted by Bear Tracker
I keep hearing about the huge number of non registered deer. Yet everyone I know and communicate with reliably register. And for just me, that is a quite a few hunters. I don't buy the numbers claimed.

Same here and I know a lot of hunters.

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739468
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If a hunter truly cares about hunting and wildlife management, they'll report their kills.

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739571
01/22/20 10:32 AM
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For those that want to listen to the NRB meeting this morning. They will be talking deer. https://dnrmedia.wi.gov/main/Play/3...talog=9da0bb432fd448a69d86756192a62f1721


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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739810
01/22/20 01:59 PM
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For those that didn't watch, it sounds like there are going to be quite a few questions on the Conservation Congress spring questionnaire relating to deer. When you include department, NRB, and CC advisory questions, it includes everything from shortening Xbow season, extending rifle season to 16 days, moving rifle season earlier, possible simplification changes to antlerless tags and a few others. It will be interesting to see how the input breaks down this spring.


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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6739825
01/22/20 02:04 PM
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Ah yes . . . the ol' simplification changes. Can't wait to see how my life will become even more . . simplified.

Maybe this is the year we simplify the colony trap regs?? Hmmmm . . .

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Muskrat] #6739909
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We have more deer than 30 years ago. We have more seasons and more methods to harvest and very easy and liberal opportunities to register or not register and no back tags etc. Yet we have fewer hunters. I believe that if we keep catering to those of us that have self centered reasons for seasons, methods and easy registration we actually are taking a lot away from the experience of the hunt from my perspective. Based on the harvest statistics we have done a very good job in managing the deer herd on our 2-3 million acres of public land and in some places more deer would be appropriate. Now on the other 30 plus million acres of privately owned land we can not in all due respect state that we are even close to managing those populations and we need to address the fact that as long as we choose to ignore or berate those that are working to create solid science to help manage those populations we never will. As hunter numbers decline there may well be some real significant ADC opportunities to make money harvesting deer at the expense of local, state and federal tax payers. Another form of subsidy we probably could avoid but are unwilling to do the needed work to get that done.

Bryce

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6740621
01/23/20 12:09 AM
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If they extended the rifle season and took the week before rifle season away and Made the rifle
Season during the rut like stated in the article I read I wound sell my land and just hunt in another state.
I truly believe the number of hunters is declining because the hunting is so bad in so many areas.
Too many predators too many tags not enough deer on the public lands

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Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Green Bay] #6740975
01/23/20 10:53 AM
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So, take the prime rut away from crossbow hunters. That will encourage more hunters to buy a license, huh? Thought we did away with tags? Simplification means tagging a crossbow shot deer killed during gun deer season with a gun tag? What??

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Doing away with management zones will simplify regulations?? Can't make this stuff up. Really???

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Oh, I don't think that will reenergize the gun season.

What we have here is a huge cluster#@$& in the making. Alienating all of the young, old and new hunters who have found success with the crossbow will only result in fewer licenses sold in the future.

Just tell me when I've got to wear blaze orange while trapping so I don't get shot whilst bent over checking a mink set in the waybacks.

Re: WI Gun Deer Thread [Re: Muskrat] #6741010
01/23/20 11:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Muskrat
Alienating all of the young, old and new hunters who have found success with the crossbow will only result in fewer licenses sold in the future.



I never understood why anyone would try to do this. In the business world, you embrace what the market wants. IMO, there are a few key trends. The current hunting public is getting older and folks gravitate towards bow hunting. So why not embrace it.

Create every incentive possible to get those aging gun hunters to pick up bow hunting. It has the ability to retain them as a long as possible. Better weather, less pressured deer, and way more places to go. The use of crossbows has the ability to attract new folks that would not have picked up bow hunting before, but not when the season is under attack every year.

Everyone is concerned about the shift in harvest of bucks from the gun season to bow season. Embrace it. Folks had no problem embracing the shift in harvest of bobcats from trapping to hunting. Folks vote with their dollars. The longer we fight this shift the more folks we force to walk away.

Any one have thoughts on how it could be made better?


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