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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Wife] #6740898
01/23/20 10:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Wife
My son has an older friend's wife (from England) who "smuggled" in some European (Horse) Chestnut seeds over 25 years ago and planted them by Kearney Nebraska. They are NOT like Ohio Buckeyes from what I can tell. They are 30' tall and growing straight (for this prairie country) compared to a lot of trees. Probably do better in a forested environment. They have been producing seeds for 5-6 years and my son has planted seedlings --- 50-60 of them. I have a few (along with a Chinquapin) planted here in Northeast Nebraska that have survived 2 seasons. So the saying goes 'if they can grow here they probably can grow just about anywhere'. Droughts and Floods are the signature of the Great Plains, without that wild temperature and moisture swings it would not be the Prairie. My son may be looking for other spots to try some of these so pm me if you live close (preferably farther east). ......................... the mike


This is not a true Chestnut...

Horse Chestnut (Aesculus hippo-castanaum)
Compound leaf (5-7 leaflets)
Burs are smooth with long spines (like a spiny golf ball) and house one large, shiny nut
Nuts are not edible, quite bitter


The biggest difference between the Ohio Buckeye is the leaf and the Ohio Bucket nut Burs are smooth. the nuts out of the shell look quite similar. Buckeyes maybe somewhat smaller than the Horse chestnut and the buckeye will most often have 2 nuts inside the shell.
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If I were interested in starting American Chestnut … I would check with the the American Chestnut Society first … there are several operations out there that are selling alternative varieties, not the real thing. Many of the states within the natural zone of the true AC have terminal organization and will be able to provide you with good information. Here is the link... https://www.acf.org/about-us/state-chapters/

Garry-

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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6741147
01/23/20 01:08 PM
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Also the NNGA (Northern Nut Growers Association) has an american chestnut interest group. This organization is one that you may want to look into. They were first formed about 110 years ago in the interest of preserving outstanding black walnut specimens that were quickly disappearing as the eastern forests were being logged. Several interested parties did a very cool thing. They wanted to identify and preserve the best specimens out there so they had a contest and offered cash prizes ( I think $100 or so) for the best walnuts. Specimens came in from all over the eastern walnut zone. Of those original winning samples several became named cultivars (still available today) that thanks to the NNGA have been preserved forever. They surely would have been lost if not for the efforts of the NNGA.

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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6741186
01/23/20 02:00 PM
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Buy Dunstan chesnut hybrids .
15/16ths. American, 1/16 chinese .
Just enough chinese to make them blight resistant but have the best qualitys of the american.

Last year walmart, rural king, tsc and others had them for sale in there garden deptments.
I bought a bunch of them when they put them on sale .


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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6741332
01/23/20 03:41 PM
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Minker these seeds that I planted are the 15/16 American version. I researched pure strains that were supposed to be blight “ resistant “ thinking that since Illinois didn’t have chestnut trees originally, they would do fine . What I found was although some strains lived longer none were immune to the blight. At the time ( about 5 years ago ) they were testing a strain that were only 1/32 Chinese as they could not get the 15/16 version to grow like the American chestnut.

So if you have a dunstan chestnut , that grows tall and strait with only one seed per pod , I should be asking you where you got your seed ?

Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Wife] #6741366
01/23/20 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Wife
My son has an older friend's wife (from England) who "smuggled" in some European (Horse) Chestnut seeds over 25 years ago and planted them by Kearney Nebraska. They are NOT like Ohio Buckeyes from what I can tell. They are 30' tall and growing straight (for this prairie country) compared to a lot of trees. Probably do better in a forested environment. They have been producing seeds for 5-6 years and my son has planted seedlings --- 50-60 of them. I have a few (along with a Chinquapin) planted here in Northeast Nebraska that have survived 2 seasons. So the saying goes 'if they can grow here they probably can grow just about anywhere'. Droughts and Floods are the signature of the Great Plains, without that wild temperature and moisture swings it would not be the Prairie. My son may be looking for other spots to try some of these so pm me if you live close (preferably farther east). ......................... the mike


Are these trees in a place where they can be viewed without invading someone's privacy? I would like to see them.


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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: beaverpeeler] #6741445
01/23/20 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Hey TrapNH, if you ever want to try some cross-breeding with specimens known to be from up state New York I've got pollen! I would sure like to get a few nuts from you if I could. I don't have another american to cross-pollinate mine these days.

Actually, as I think about it we could trade pollen if you wanted.

If TrapNH would want to do that I could get a bunch of nuts as early as this fall. If that happens I'll supply anybody that wants to try them for free.

Carl

Now that would be cool !!!


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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6741449
01/23/20 05:31 PM
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BTW, who says that the american only can have on nut per burr? I have seen doubles and triples.


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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6741453
01/23/20 05:34 PM
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Id buy some seedlings....don't know if they'd make it here though


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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6741534
01/23/20 07:08 PM
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I bought trees , 5-6 ft.


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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6741708
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Several months ago the local newspaper had a story about a surveyor who found a large chestnut tree that was producing nuts and was not affected by the blight. We're in Missouri

Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6741734
01/23/20 09:43 PM
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There are a sprinkling of documented older american chestnuts in the pacific northwest where the blight has never arrived. However most of the ones I have been told about upon examination turned out to be europeans.

Incidentally, there are a few medium sized american chestnuts around our area (Morton arboretum progeny) from seedlings I gave away in the late 80's.

I will do my best to either provide some seedlings or nuts from what I have to those that request them. You're all my brothers and sisters so I'm not charging for them.

I don't have anything right now, it would be after this fall.

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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6742254
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Beaverpeeler I would very much like to try some seed unless you think I have contaminated my ground by planting the Chinese hybrid. The research I did before I bought seed indicated the the majority of Americans would have a pod with a single nut . Now I need to go back and reread , lol .

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I thought I would share my story about the Chinese seedlings I ordered from a catalogue one time. I got six of them and four of them actually lived. Years passed and one year I noticed it looked like it was putting on some nuts. Well as they matured it became clear that I had been ripped. Sawtooth oaks!


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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6742383
01/24/20 01:11 PM
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Golf, most are singles with one or two unfertilized kernels lying next to them. But doubles and triples occur often enough to not be a rarity.


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Ten 4 Peeler, these Chinese hybrids produce three seeds in almost every pod . Not necessarily a negative but for sure not the way an American chestnut should produce. Keep me posted if you’ve got seed available this fall I could try planting in an other spot .
Thanks,
Don

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I will need to get some pollen to brush on the flowers this spring. I'll try to get that accomplished.


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Re: Anyone have interest in American Chestnut trees [Re: Actor] #6742487
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Beaverpeeler, I would be glad to trade some nuts or pollen with you, but it would be next fall for the nuts or spring for the pollen. American chestnuts have up to five nuts per burr generally 2 or 3 though. Bring this up again in the spring and we will see what we can do.

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