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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6746987
01/27/20 04:15 PM
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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: pcr2] #6746997
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Originally Posted by pcr2
wooly mammoth butt plug

I suppose they were like a bear and dispelled those After hibernation?


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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6747002
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Now Pcr2 everyone knows that would be a sheep !


Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6747004
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And not the small sheep like now...but a Mammoth Sheep


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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: ] #6747147
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Originally Posted by ND FTA
I thought I had opened the MRE thread and was going to say it's an oatmeal cookie bar. They can both be used as a hammer.


You might be onto something I tasted both and they are nearly identical.


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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6747240
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Depending on the type of rock it looks more like a chisel.

All those stone works in the south west and further south, they didn't have iron tools when they made them.

Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6747279
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Paper weight used by chiefs. Once they developed the weight, then came Indian papers. Elizabeth Warren has Indian papers.

Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6747317
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Pictures are always tough.

Based on what I'm seeing, it does not look like an artifact. With the exception of the one event on the end, the entire object appears to be covered in cortex. There are no signs of wear or edgework.

If anyone ever wants to talk artifacts sometime, please send me a PM. I have put a lot of time and sweat into avocational archaeology. I would be particularly interested in comparing notes from MN, WI, IA, SD, ND.

Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: charles] #6747321
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Originally Posted by charles
Paper weight used by chiefs. Once they developed the weight, then came Indian papers. Elizabeth Warren has Indian papers.

This^^^ crazy


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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6747555
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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6747558
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Hahaha Leroy!


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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6747625
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I believe that would be a Cro-magnum - baculum.

Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6747957
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I don't buy into the whole its just a rock comment that pops up every time in these threads. My guess is it was for something even if we don't know what it was doesn't make it just a rock.

Its cool. I'd keep it too. Give you something to figure out.

Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6748061
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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: OhioBoy] #6748458
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Originally Posted by OhioBoy
I don't buy into the whole its just a rock comment that pops up every time in these threads. My guess is it was for something even if we don't know what it was doesn't make it just a rock.


For anybody interested in learning....which I know isn't necessarily everyone.

I mentioned my determination of whether or not it is an artifact. Trying to determine if an object is "just a rock" is not a valid argument. Obviously, most potential artifacts with be stone or lithic categorized material. The qualifiers that make it an artifact that has been worked and manipulated by human hands are what provide answers. This maybe seems technical and picky, but it is technically the way this works.

There are certainly times where a rock or stone was no doubt carried to a particular location by human hands. This almost always means that it needs to be found on an occupied site. Generally, the context or provenance of where an object was found then becomes important. If the object in this post was found on say a well-known site, then that object does adopt a slightly different level of interest. The absence of any alteration, however, prevents it from being definitively categorized as an artifact. Also, these "maybe/maybe not" items would almost definitely not be found alone and in the absence of other evidence of occupation.

Material type can be another variable. Certain materials were specifically traded and used for tools and points. A core or spall of material like this can then also become extremely valuable in qualifying it as an artifact. The pic almost makes this material possibly look like a chert or something similar which peaks my interest slightly. It does appear to be covered in original cortex, which means it was not altered by humans into that shape. I have no knowledge of materials outside of those found on sites in the Midwest. I don't know much about that state either. So I'm not being totally definitive.

I just don't see any evidence of alteration by man in these pictures. Also, what would it have been used for and could you personally use it for that reason too? What would you use it for? These questions usually disqualify these "maybe" rocks too. If it were ground, rubbed, used, etc,...it would definitely show thousands of years later. Like I mentioned, the context as far as how these finds relate to other objects nearby then becomes the next step in determining what it is or isn't.

These are just some things I learned through years of finding and cataloging artifacts to be worthy of someday contributing to the archeological record. Send me a message if you want to talk.

(Side note: Should you think you have found, or know you have found an artifact, it is extremely important to write down where it was found and make sure this information stays with the object. This is to provide the provenance described above.)

Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6748737
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It certainly could have been ground down to make it the shape it is. As far as knowing what they were doing with it, they would have jobs to do that they fully understood but we don't.

Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: MNCedar] #6750494
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Very cool post. Thank you.


Originally Posted by MNCedar
Originally Posted by OhioBoy
I don't buy into the whole its just a rock comment that pops up every time in these threads. My guess is it was for something even if we don't know what it was doesn't make it just a rock.


For anybody interested in learning....which I know isn't necessarily everyone.

I mentioned my determination of whether or not it is an artifact. Trying to determine if an object is "just a rock" is not a valid argument. Obviously, most potential artifacts with be stone or lithic categorized material. The qualifiers that make it an artifact that has been worked and manipulated by human hands are what provide answers. This maybe seems technical and picky, but it is technically the way this works.

There are certainly times where a rock or stone was no doubt carried to a particular location by human hands. This almost always means that it needs to be found on an occupied site. Generally, the context or provenance of where an object was found then becomes important. If the object in this post was found on say a well-known site, then that object does adopt a slightly different level of interest. The absence of any alteration, however, prevents it from being definitively categorized as an artifact. Also, these "maybe/maybe not" items would almost definitely not be found alone and in the absence of other evidence of occupation.

Material type can be another variable. Certain materials were specifically traded and used for tools and points. A core or spall of material like this can then also become extremely valuable in qualifying it as an artifact. The pic almost makes this material possibly look like a chert or something similar which peaks my interest slightly. It does appear to be covered in original cortex, which means it was not altered by humans into that shape. I have no knowledge of materials outside of those found on sites in the Midwest. I don't know much about that state either. So I'm not being totally definitive.

I just don't see any evidence of alteration by man in these pictures. Also, what would it have been used for and could you personally use it for that reason too? What would you use it for? These questions usually disqualify these "maybe" rocks too. If it were ground, rubbed, used, etc,...it would definitely show thousands of years later. Like I mentioned, the context as far as how these finds relate to other objects nearby then becomes the next step in determining what it is or isn't.

These are just some things I learned through years of finding and cataloging artifacts to be worthy of someday contributing to the archeological record. Send me a message if you want to talk.

(Side note: Should you think you have found, or know you have found an artifact, it is extremely important to write down where it was found and make sure this information stays with the object. This is to provide the provenance described above.)

Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6750501
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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6750611
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1/ 1024 th indian artifact


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Re: Indian Artifact Guys What is This? [Re: Leftlane] #6750639
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