Re: Green belly
[Re: Dirt]
#6746962
01/27/20 03:41 PM
01/27/20 03:41 PM
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cat_trapper_nv
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Why are you boraxing the skin side? Skipping the flip? Yep. When its 60 degrees and dry in the winter, you cant really do skin out. Dries way to quick and is a pain to flip. rub borax on it, put it on the stretcher, and youre done.
If traps work like the Antis say......I would have no fingers.
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Re: Green belly
[Re: poconobear]
#6746984
01/27/20 04:11 PM
01/27/20 04:11 PM
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Joined: Jul 2009
Posts: 2,794 100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat
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Your fur may look great to both you and the grader, however the true quality of preparation cannot be determined until it has been drummed and dressed. Buyers have reported up to 15% spoilage from improper handling. Using borax to skip the flip is a major part of this problem, thus the auction houses and processors do not recommend it. You can also be assured the buyers allow for this anticipated spoilage in the price they pay for the pelts.
If your drying temperature is 60F you should have little problem, but if pelts are drying quickly just turn them sooner. If they do get to dry just re-hydrate with a damp towel 10-15 minutes and you should have little problem turning. Don't worry about putting the re-hydrated pelt back on the board fur out. The re-hydrated skin dries very well and quickly, unlike a green skin against wood.
Last edited by bctomcat; 01/27/20 04:19 PM.
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Re: Green belly
[Re: M.Magis]
#6747200
01/27/20 08:04 PM
01/27/20 08:04 PM
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Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 5,459 Montana
Taximan
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Good grief don’t ever use bleach or borax. You can’t undo damage, but get it salted ASAP and hope. M Magis is a taxidermist and knows what he is talking about.I have been one for 50 years and every hide I prep and send to the tannery gets salted twice.When a taxidermist sends out a hide,he is the end user and he to work with that skin.Every single skin has to come back,not only with hair but good stretch and durability.Salt is the best way.I can't remember a green belly,treatexthis way that didn't survive the tanning process,rehydration and mounting.
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Re: Green belly
[Re: poconobear]
#6747249
01/27/20 08:44 PM
01/27/20 08:44 PM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,197 Armpit, ak
Dirt
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Salt may work, but the fur market (not the tannery) won't like it.
I believe they have a good reason they don't want salted hides mixed in with unsalted.
Last edited by Dirt; 01/27/20 08:47 PM.
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Re: Green belly
[Re: poconobear]
#6747265
01/27/20 08:56 PM
01/27/20 08:56 PM
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Posts: 2,794 100 Mile House, BC Can
bctomcat
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Yes, if it's going directly to the tannery definitely salt it. If to the fur market use no salt, just dry the pelt.
The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.
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Re: Green belly
[Re: bctomcat]
#6747476
01/28/20 12:21 AM
01/28/20 12:21 AM
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cat_trapper_nv
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Your fur may look great to both you and the grader, however the true quality of preparation cannot be determined until it has been drummed and dressed. Buyers have reported up to 15% spoilage from improper handling. Using borax to skip the flip is a major part of this problem, thus the auction houses and processors do not recommend it. You can also be assured the buyers allow for this anticipated spoilage in the price they pay for the pelts.
If your drying temperature is 60F you should have little problem, but if pelts are drying quickly just turn them sooner. If they do get to dry just re-hydrate with a damp towel 10-15 minutes and you should have little problem turning. Don't worry about putting the re-hydrated pelt back on the board fur out. The re-hydrated skin dries very well and quickly, unlike a green skin against wood.
Ive never had an issue with it and have never been docked money for using borax. I’ve been told from the buyers that it’s fine to use borax to both help dry the skin and to clean the fur. Ill take the advise on the people bidding on my fur over anything.
If traps work like the Antis say......I would have no fingers.
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Re: Green belly
[Re: poconobear]
#6747496
01/28/20 12:34 AM
01/28/20 12:34 AM
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I use a 50/50 mix of bleach and water in a spray bottle. I spray as soon as the green belly is exposed while skinning and then again after fleshing. I have never had a problem. If you let the green belly turn black you will have a problem. I use borax on my cats to take the grease out of the fur. I blow it out with an air compressor when I am finished. Fur buyers are not overly impressed when they give the hide a good snap and borax comes tumbling out.
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Re: Green belly
[Re: poconobear]
#6747848
01/28/20 11:42 AM
01/28/20 11:42 AM
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Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 11,197 Armpit, ak
Dirt
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"Salt should not be used because it attracts moisture." From NAFA pelt handling manual. For the raw fur market.
If that salt from your hide gets on other non-salted hides and attracts moisture, could be a problem for the non-salted hides.
It does attract moisture. I have had dry salted bear hides become damp again from high humidity.
Who is John Galt?
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