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Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: rick olson] #6746799
01/27/20 12:24 PM
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Rick Olson is right on the money I do use some hole sets but I tend to use a lot of droppings as a scent post
I use lots of grass clumps with a gland lure and plenty of urine
I use them year round in the late summer I do use them as well as t bones I find in July august they may pass it bye but a lot of times I can wait them out and Iíll have them

Ricks pictures in my opinion are a good example of what a natural scent post is they serve me well



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Natural sets I really like flat sets or a coyote dug look like trench type set.Blend them or tear the heck out of them. [Linked Image]
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Originally Posted by rick olson
Natural sets I really like flat sets or a coyote dug look like trench type set.Blend them or tear the heck out of them. [Linked Image]
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Originally Posted by rick olson
Natural sets I really like flat sets or a coyote dug look like trench type set.Blend them or tear the heck out of them. [Linked Image]
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Originally Posted by rick olson
Natural sets I really like flat sets or a coyote dug look like trench type set.Blend them or tear the heck out of them. [Linked Image]
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There i said it....
Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6746802
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Didnít mean to quote rick 3 times sorry


There i said it....
Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6746910
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Nothing more natural that a urine set Mac. Dogs just gotta pee to tell the world this is mine and ya better stay away.. Travs and Rick have got it down to an art! WIth a short grass clump they walk all over it from any direction. wind direction won't matter.

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Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6746925
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This is run of the mill what I make. Punch type holes reamed out to about 2 inches. Small pattern. But just as important, putting them where there is natural spot to slip one in and have it not look weirdly out of place.
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Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Carolina Foxer] #6747825
01/28/20 11:18 AM
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Thanks Travis and all that weighted in.
Appreciated.

mac



Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6747879
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Mac, consider remake sets for a bit...we have soy bean fields here and I find a trash mound type of set is very productive for ALL predators. BUT when remaking sets in weeds/grassy areas they can be just as productive.... you just got reset the trap and experiment. Just gather up surrounding debris and form a backing of sorts position your trap and cover with nearby cut up grasses weeds or chaff. I prefer bigger than a softball size rocks more like basketball size rocks if I can find them for my backing. I can place my bait/lure under rock and position my trap in front. It ALL works you just got be patient.

Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: MChewk] #6748109
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Originally Posted by MChewk
Mac, consider remake sets for a bit...we have soy bean fields here and I find a trash mound type of set is very productive for ALL predators. BUT when remaking sets in weeds/grassy areas they can be just as productive.... you just got reset the trap and experiment. Just gather up surrounding debris and form a backing of sorts position your trap and cover with nearby cut up grasses weeds or chaff. I prefer bigger than a softball size rocks more like basketball size rocks if I can find them for my backing. I can place my bait/lure under rock and position my trap in front. It ALL works you just got be patient.


I tend to use trash miles as mock bobcat scrapes or catches man you can get a coyote that spooky to do dumb stuff


There i said it....
Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6748116
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This all reminds me of when I asked Thorpe what was the difference between trappin fox versus coyotes. he went into a detailed spiel about the common dirt hole, etc. "It's like a dinner plate, they can see its fake, make your dirt hole look like animal did it, and learn to blend flat sets, use urine for it's intended purpose. Fox don't care but Coyotes do. Ya gotta be right on em" ! So I did all that LOL... Great advise!


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Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: trappergbus] #6749981
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thanks to all



Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6752372
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If coyotes are coming in at a 45 degree angle, put your traps at 45 and 90 degree angles. With pipes, they canít get them out of the ground so they walk all around them trying to get a better angle advantage.

Locklear talks about the angle of attack in his Teachers of the Night videos. He says coyotes spend more time behind and on the sides of sets than they do out front. His videos show this. Our problem, as trappers, is that we catch so many of them when they spend 2-3 seconds in front of the hole that we donít realize how much time is spent at 45, 90 and 180 degrees away from the hole.


Last year, Newt Sterling and others told a bunch of us canines will show you where they can be caught. Thatís what the coyotes at your sets are telling you. You just have to listen.


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Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6752400
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Got pics of bobcats approaching exactly how described above. Even took a dump about 3ft off to the side of the dirt hole and came from the back side checking it out. He finally went all the way around the trap then came in from the back side and finally jumped over the dirt hole and landed in the trap.
Iím guilty as heck for placing traps head on...just seems ďnaturalĒ to me. They, on the other hand, very RARELY approach that way. Think I may start bedding and blending my trap then digging the hole behind the trap or off to one side and not bed.

Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6752777
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Locklear also had cameras videoing the coyotes so there's no telling how that affected the coyotes behavior. He catches plenty of fur but he doesn't catch any more than other professional trappers who set in a more traditional way.

Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: canebrake] #6752792
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Good stuff. Thanks



Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6753022
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Talked to clint about that, he has daytime footage of them doing the same thing. I've seen same thing.

If you go back and read Slim's books, I mean really read them, you will see what he does. Taken instruction from him twice, what's in his books is what he does on the line. Some guys, myself included, didn't spend enough time really studying what he wrote. How does he work hole sets? It's in the books.

Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: trappergbus] #6759315
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Originally Posted by trappergbus
Nothing more natural that a urine set Mac. Dogs just gotta pee to tell the world this is mine and ya better stay away.. Travs and Rick have got it down to an art! WIth a short grass clump they walk all over it from any direction. wind direction won't matter.



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Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6759353
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I always figured a open hole with bait In It was unnatural In the scheme of things.

I kind of go along with James Lucero's method of closing up the hole to make things more natural.


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Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: Mac] #6759410
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Someone needs to tell Mr. Coyote that this sets will not work.

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Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: canebrake] #6759513
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Originally Posted by canebrake
Locklear also had cameras videoing the coyotes so there's no telling how that affected the coyotes behavior. He catches plenty of fur but he doesn't catch any more than other professional trappers who set in a more traditional way.


I bought his teachers of the night and saw that coyotes did not like to turn their backs to the camera. I told him to move the cameras and maybe the coyotes would come in to the front of the set. He did not want to hear that.

Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: ebsurveyor] #6759562
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ebsurveyor,

It looks like you and I have almost identical trapping styles. We definitely make the same dirtholes with a nice, wide open dirt pattern for them to foot shuffle on. I fully admit I over-guided coyotes right out of my sets for years.

It sure seems like the simpler I make things, the more successful I am. It is a lot more fun and enjoyable too.

Re: Appearance of coyote sets [Re: ebsurveyor] #6759656
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Originally Posted by ebsurveyor
Originally Posted by canebrake
Locklear also had cameras videoing the coyotes so there's no telling how that affected the coyotes behavior. He catches plenty of fur but he doesn't catch any more than other professional trappers who set in a more traditional way.


I bought his teachers of the night and saw that coyotes did not like to turn their backs to the camera. I told him to move the cameras and maybe the coyotes would come in to the front of the set. He did not want to hear that.

I'm right there with you on that one.

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