Re: Is this song racist
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Yup Racist: Does not mention proper compensation for the Indians, for loss of there lands. But which indians do we give it back to?The indians stole it from other Indians who stole it from other indians.
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Re: Is this song racist
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Well, if it is racist, I am a racist. When I was in grade school we learned this song and would sing it one day and the day, America, then back to the first one. Of course said the pledge to the flag before we sang them. That was the best part of the school day. It made you feel proud and like you were part of something bigger and better than maybe being poor or doing without.
SING IT MY FRIEND AND COUNTRYMAN!
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Re: Is this song racist
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Actually I will say the song is not racist. The "my native land" wording is definitely going to throw some people. I am grateful to live in this country but those lyrics don't really vibe with me.
Everybody doesn't have to like everything.
Just a question: what would make that line more tolerable? I was born and raised in the USA and consider it my native land. 150 years ago I had ancestors come over from Germany but I do not even consider Germany being my native land, I've never even been there. I guess I'm just trying to understand why this line might throw some people?
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Re: Is this song racist
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Many think the natives got a raw deal. That's what happens when you can't protect your land from others. They were out fought and out bred. It's been happening since the beginning of time. And it will be happening at the end of time.
To a globalist lt's racist to a Nationalist it's a song of patriotism.
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Re: Is this song racist
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Actually I will say the song is not racist. The "my native land" wording is definitely going to throw some people. I am grateful to live in this country but those lyrics don't really vibe with me.
Everybody doesn't have to like everything.
Just a question: what would make that line more tolerable? I was born and raised in the USA and consider it my native land. 150 years ago I had ancestors come over from Germany but I do not even consider Germany being my native land, I've never even been there. I guess I'm just trying to understand why this line might throw some people? Thanks for the intelligent response. It is refreshing. The words you wrote give context to what the song means to you. I get it. It makes sense and I can absolutely understand. Thanks for explaining. When I read the lyrics, all I could think to myself is how many Americans would praise this song but not practice the lyrics in real life? There is no shortage of division in this country, from political views to cultural to whatever else. That’s why it throws me, because it reminds me how many ignorant mouths would say the words without living the ideology. Many think the natives got a raw deal. That's what happens when you can't protect your land from others. They were out fought and out bred. It's been happening since the beginning of time. And it will be happening at the end of time.
To a globalist lt's racist to a Nationalist it's a song of patriotism. Only fools would willingly let in people who won't assimilate. Thanks for proving the point I just made. Unreal
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Re: Is this song racist
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Why is it unreal. It's the truth.
I edited the post you quoted because I didn't want it whacked for using the 4 letter word fool.
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Re: Is this song racist
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Why is it unreal. It's the truth.
I edited the post you quoted because I didn't want it whacked for using the 4 letter word fool. I don't really have an opinion on the song, but, come on.......you posted a song and asked for opinions. You can't get wound up when you get them. Try this: I write songs on the internet If you tell me what you think I won't get upset I save that emotion for standard trapperman threads Obama, libtards, illegal immigrants and who Hillary made dead
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Re: Is this song racist
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The Native Americans were the first ones here, but where did they come from? Ask Lizzie Warren
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Re: Is this song racist
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My response wasn't about the song. Only that he felt that I'd made his point and doing so was unreal.
I'm sure you didn't like my post that MNcedar quoted because it points out what happens when borders aren't protected.
Have a good day counselor.
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Re: Is this song racist
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Hey buster,my comment was not negative. You sound like a friggen racist against Canadians,assuming just cause someone is from Canada that a comment is negative. Canada or being Canadian isn't a race....
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Re: Is this song racist
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My response wasn't about the song. Only that he felt that I'd made his point and doing so was unreal.
I'm sure you didn't like my post that MNcedar quoted because it points out what happens when borders aren't protected.
Have a good day counselor.
Just trying to lighten the mood.
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Re: Is this song racist
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I'm the original poster. I'm curious why you think that. I believe that every citizen has an equal stake in this country.
I don't want to see what happened to your ancestors happen to you and me. I have a great deal of respect for your culture and have many Native friends.
I was hoping you'd respond to my post.
Thanks
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Re: Is this song racist
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If I was any more white and Scandinavian I would turn into a piece of kringler…..
I would say this....quoting scripture is perhaps the worst way to attempt to convert a non-believer set in their ways. It will repel those individuals from the start. On that note, using ye old patriotic wording is going to chase off anyone who fears being labeled white nationalist. Just my take on that.
I am grateful to live in this country, but it can certainly use reform. The immigration internet topic is too much to take on this Friday morning.
My biggest objection on this post didn't even come from you. It lies in the alteration of history. It happened....Europeans took over this continent. It was not a shining moment in history, given the prevalence of murder and rape. Carry that institutionally into things like the Carlisle schools and the perma-cringe continues on. This is history, however, and it is in the past.
When people try to justify it by saying "they were already killing each other," "they were savages anyway," or I've even heard so much as that "the slaves liked being owned," etc. this is just not doing justice to the concept of history or truth. It actually presents itself as the subconscious trying to rationalize societally imposed guilt. As a free nation, we owe it to ourselves as citizens and humanity as a whole to uphold a pulse of truth throughout our history. By not upholding certain historical truths, who is to say that others will not fall? Truth is not objective, it is the standard. If we fail to maintain this, how is this nation different than any others that have fallen to propaganda?
My point is....if we alter or rationalize our less desirable history, then we set the precedent for other countries to alter or detract from our prouder ones.
This post has actually turned a little patriotic.
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Re: Is this song racist
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Not good to take history out of context. Easy to judge the behavior of people in history by applying our late 20th century morals. Of course our current acceptable behavior would probably appall most people from history.
Who is John Galt?
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