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John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors #6753434
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Ok, I am asking opinions of what you would rather have and why. Just so you know I like both brands and currently have 2 JD 4020's with loaders and a Ford 3000. All diesel. Looking for either a Ford 5000 or JD 3020. Sounds silly but I dont like unhitching when I am haying. I run both small and round balers, mower, and a rake. Let me know if you have experience with either and what you would prefer and why.

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6753446
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3020 is a handy tractor but the synco range transmission is an aggravation due to linkage wear.

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6753535
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We have a 1964 3020D at the farm. I grew up on it. Could not find one to buy here, so wound up with a nice low hours 90's era Ford 5610. Far and away prefer the old 3020. Superior just about everywhere you look. The problem being finding a good one that isn't priced through the roof.

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6753537
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The dealer can make a huge difference but I would stick with the 3020 I know a 4020 is built heavier than a 5000 but a 3020 is probably a little lighter, also a 3020 is pretty much a smaller 4020 depending on early or late model. We’ve run John Deere ever since grandpa tried a 5000 vs a 4020 and didnt like the 5000because it was built to light one major point was axle size, we still have dads original 4000 that is waiting for me to get a bearing fixed in the rear end.

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: Bob_Iowa] #6753625
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I have a 3020 and have had 4020 John Deere tractors also. I grew up with John Deere. I know the Ford but the John Deere is way easier to work on. I currently have a 30-20 I use for bailing raking cutting mowing and hauling hay. A lot of the attachments from the 4020 will fit the 3020 so it seems like you could get double duty out of it. Go Green!


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Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6753662
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John Deere has come a long ways since the 3020 and 4020 models. Those models suck fuel like pigs. John Deere's newer models actually set some fuel economy records.


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Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6753670
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I have both brands of tractors. As far as doing the job, they’re both good machines. But I’m pretty sure the 3020 has a closed center hydraulic system. If it does, walk away. They’re prone to major gremlins, and can cost thousands to diagnose. Its not a DIY system and very few people know how to work on them, including most dealers. Mine ended up costing me $8k to fix, I just got lucky the dealer had a mechanic that understood how they worked.
Ford parts are also easier to find online and much cheaper. I still like my JD, but I would never buy another one with the closed center system.

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6753677
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I guess my experience with Deere’s fuel is the opposite run the diesel 4020/4000, same engine, will run two days on 20 gallons of fuel but the 7930 we have with the IVT at idle burns 150 gallons in one day baling. Now the gas 4020/4000 you need a 500 gallon barrel mounted on it just to get out of the shed. crazy

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6754235
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I have heard the gasoline engines do like fuel. I also understand the tricky synchro transmission issues with some 4020s and 3020s but have learned to live with that. I appreciate the input on the Ford 5610 as well as I have also considered it also. I am not putting hundreds of hours a year on any tractor and just kind of enjoy. I have both Case IH/New Holland and JD dealers close by and both are ok.

Any other diesel tractors with 60-80 hp would also be considered if I find the right deal. I just am not that knowledgeable on those. The tractors I chose were some of the most reliable and held value. I do not want a newer electronic computerized tractor with plastic hoods......I know they are comfy and nice but have no need. Well really, I have no need for another tractor, its just a want.

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6754586
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Got a 5000 Ford that’s tough as nails. It was my Grandfathers. He ordered it in Nov of 73. My employees haven’t torn it up yet. It’s heavy enough to pull but light enough not to sink in our black river land.


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Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6756677
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I'm glad to see some Ford tractor fans on trapperman. I like the modern New Holland Boomer compact tractors. No real old Ford tractor experience with me.


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Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6756907
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Is the 3020 the one that can catch fire in middle of the night after you've had it running the day before?


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Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6756967
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I have never heard of anything like that about them but interested.

I have learned one of the most reliable, trusted tractors for over 50 years has been the John Deere 4020 Diesel tractor. It can work hard, die, be rebuilt, be rebuilt , be rebuilt and keep going. I have heard many farmers say when it was designed - John Deere almost made it last too long...….the 3020 is a similar design just a smaller tractor with almost the same reliability. I am in no way colorblind to tractors - just believe the 4020 and 3020 diesels to be very good tractors. That said - I think Internationals made some of the German diesel 310 motors in their 706s that were extremely good as well.

I also have a Ford 3000 diesel and just like how simple and reliable the Fords seem to be. They also just "feel" good and like you are in control when sitting in them. I am interested in the 5000 as it is just a larger HP of the 3000 that I am used to. I am also interested in the Ford 4610s, 4630, 5600, 5610s if others have experience with any of them.

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6757008
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I wish I had a 4020 loader tractor! been looking for one or simillar brand/size, but not many around for sale

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I grew up on John Deere tractors. We used to mow and bake with a 3020 gas. If I remember right pulling the hay conditioner we could mow 4 acres an hour and 5 gallons of gas an hour. We had a 4020 diesel too and it’s a great tractor. Don’t know anything about the fords but I’d buy a John Deere again for sure.

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: Leftlane] #6757035
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
Is the 3020 the one that can catch fire in middle of the night after you've had it running the day before?

It's the newer J.D. tractors that are really bad for catching on fire. But the J. D. fans probably have something similar to say about Ford's. My dad's cousin had a 80- 100 hp. tractor catch fire due to a stupid design. I don't remember the model number unfortunately. But they took it to a junk yard and the junk yard had 2 models exactly the same as this J.D. tractor.

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Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6757968
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Yeah international did a neighbor had one everything was fine until you had to get parts around here you couldn’t find them, also dad borrowed it once to put in bedding when his 4440 broke down and after an hour he final got it shifted into reverse to get it out of the lot and told mother if he ever bought a international to shoot him.

Re: John Deere 3020 or Ford 5000 Tractors [Re: TreedaBlackdog] #6759796
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I've run 5000 fords forever cheap on fuel all around good, easy to work on also own a new Holland boomer very handy tractor really like it too. Cheaper in price compared to the JD's

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