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Re: Electoral college [Re: 330-Trapper] #6753696
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No doubt in my mind on the whole that women are voting us in a liberal direction. Not all of them, but as a whole women vote liberal....


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Re: Electoral college [Re: 330-Trapper] #6753698
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Wes gets it

Re: Electoral college [Re: loosegoose] #6753703
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
The electoral college is good as it keeps big cities from telling the rest of the country what to do, no arguments with that. But it is kinda strange that the candidate that most people voted for doesn't get to be president.

Interestingly, the founders thought that most people wouldn't know enough to pick a good president, and that may have been the case back when there wasnt a good way to learn about the candidates with the internet and such. They figured that usually no one would win the electoral college, and figured Congress would usually elect the president. If nobody wins the electoral college, the house picks the president from the top three candidates, with each state getting one vote, and tbe Senate picks the vice President from the top two candidates. Being stuck with a dysfunctional two party system pretty much ensures that someone will always win the electoral college though.

Actually, a two party system has pretty much been the norm. Yes, there have always been 3rd parties but usually, like today, they have been on the fringe. For the first few presidential elections, the runner up was made Vice President. That stopped in 1804 with the 12th amendment. Gee, wonder how well that would work today.
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Re: Electoral college [Re: Wesley] #6753704
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Originally Posted by Wesley
No doubt in my mind on the whole that women are voting us in a liberal direction. Not all of them, but as a whole women vote liberal....

Because women decide things on emotion more often than men. Though that is starting to change now that about 50% of "men" are not raised like men.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: 330-Trapper] #6753709
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I'm glad Trump won. That being said, the history of the electoral college is not as pure or simple as some would propose.
If the liberals wanted to really exert the power of majority, they could break up the large urban areas into states that would then completely overwhelm the system in their favor. If liberals were truly concerned about ballot "issues" then they would resolve these BEFORE a disputed election, not after. In spite of their claims to the contrary liberalism only sees the individual as a part of a group rather than the group made up of individuals. The importance and power of the individual is lost on them.

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Re: Electoral college [Re: 330-Trapper] #6753711
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Just how much voter fraud is going on in those cities? 110% voter turnout is a impossible goal that they can seem reach. What about letting illegals to get IDs and to vote the next go around?


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Woodsloafer72] #6753714
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Originally Posted by Woodsloafer72
I have been thinking that, at least here in Minnesota, we should go to an electoral vote for governor. It would keep three or four counties from carrying the governor's race, like happens now.

That would be Great


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Re: Electoral college [Re: 330-Trapper] #6753724
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We should go back to only landowners being allowed to vote, the way our government was created and meant to run. Unless you're vested in the country, you're likely to vote selfishly, like nonvested city dwellers usually do for programs like welfare, SNAP and the myriad of other programs that steal from those who work and bestow on those who won't work.

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Originally Posted by KeithC
We should go back to only landowners being allowed to vote, the way our government was created and meant to run. Unless you're vested in the country, you're likely to vote selfishly, like nonvested city dwellers usually do for programs like welfare, SNAP and the myriad of other programs that steal from those who work and bestow on those who won't work.

Keith


You also had to be available for the bucket brigades and no women voting.
There were responsibilities that came with voting that there aren't now.

Re: Electoral college [Re: Dirty D] #6753738
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Originally Posted by Dirty D
Originally Posted by KeithC
We should go back to only landowners being allowed to vote, the way our government was created and meant to run. Unless you're vested in the country, you're likely to vote selfishly, like nonvested city dwellers usually do for programs like welfare, SNAP and the myriad of other programs that steal from those who work and bestow on those who won't work.

Keith


You also had to be available for the bucket brigades and no women voting.
There were responsibilities that came with voting that there aren't now.

I would be fine with that. I also own a bucket. wink


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Dirty D] #6753743
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Originally Posted by Dirty D


You also had to be available for the bucket brigades and no women voting.
There were responsibilities that came with voting that there aren't now.


Seems completely reasonable.

Re: Electoral college [Re: 330-Trapper] #6753752
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The electoral votes still heavily favor the most populated States. The most populated States still control the less populated States. Other than two votes every State gets the other 435 are allocated based on population.


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I agree with everything said. What's the plan to change it? I doubt there is a peaceful solution. You remember the conversations on here about the Patriot Act. Lots of people said they had nothing to hide. Words need to turn into actions.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: FairbanksLS] #6753768
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Originally Posted by gray dog
I agree with everything said. What's the plan to change it? I doubt there is a peaceful solution. You remember the conversations on here about the Patriot Act. Lots of people said they had nothing to hide. Words need to turn into actions.



Balkanization is the way it ends imo, hopefully peaceful balkinization.

Re: Electoral college [Re: 330-Trapper] #6753781
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So I guess people don't like the system of Majority Rules?


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Dirt] #6753784
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Originally Posted by Dirt
So I guess people don't like the system of Majority Rules?


The United States has always been a Republic, not a democracy. Pure democracies can never work on a large level.

Keith

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Originally Posted by KeithC
Originally Posted by Dirt
So I guess people don't like the system of Majority Rules?


The United States has always been a Republic, not a democracy. Pure democracies can never work on a large level.

Keith


There is hardly a distinction between the two. Even in the U.S the majority can choose to legally take away the constitutional rights of the minority simply through voting.

I would personally prefer a constitutional Monarchy, I defiantly do not like "majority rules"

Re: Electoral college [Re: Dirt] #6753788
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Originally Posted by Dirt
So I guess people don't like the system of Majority Rules?

There is no end to "Majority Rules". It is a recipe for anarchy and emotional whims.


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Re: Electoral college [Re: Donnersurvivor] #6753791
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor


There is hardly a distinction between the two. Even in the U.S the majority can choose to legally take away the constitutional rights of the minority simply through voting.

I would personally prefer a constitutional Monarchy, I defiantly do not like "majority rules"

There is a huge distinction between the two.


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