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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6759700
02/05/20 09:29 PM
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I held a lot of coyotes in single staked traps with 1/2" x 24" rebar stakes before I got on trapperman and found out it can not be done. Did it with Duke 1.5's too, just added a little chain and bubble welded the jaw tips and welded the j-hooks. Man was I stupid. smile Won't happen again!

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: ~ADC~] #6759731
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The gumbo here in kansas will hold 24 inch rebar , I use 30 in. Of chain and never had a problem. Factory length chain and rebar wouldn't be good.

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6759814
02/05/20 10:35 PM
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i always cross stake they will not pull out.


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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6759955
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Originally Posted by mocoyotetrapping
Will a 24inch rebar stake hold a coyote?



In what solid rock heck yeah it will. In sand, not so much. All things are relative but a good rule of thumb is if you can pull out a single stake they can pump it out too. Again, all things are relative. The longer the chain you use the less they can jack it upward but with a long chain you deal with some physics that might disappoint you a time or 30. Don't forget about the cable stakes and drags if you are in problematic ground. I myself love tracking a drag mark.


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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: ~ADC~] #6759957
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
I held a lot of coyotes in single staked traps with 1/2" x 24" rebar stakes before I got on trapperman and found out it can not be done. Did it with Duke 1.5's too, just added a little chain and bubble welded the jaw tips and welded the j-hooks. Man was I stupid. smile Won't happen again!


Daggum Iowegians stirrin' the pot again I see.
Maybe the guy who set you straight was the the one who explained to me how stupid I was for using a limb for a drag. I still think if he had more hedge (osage orange) where he lived he might have let me slide a little bit LOL


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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6759968
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Double stake only as a coyote will pump the single stake out of the ground.

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: Jurassic Park] #6760025
02/06/20 06:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Park
How do you guys pull these stakes out of the ground?

Long handle crowbar with 12" piece of 2x4 under crowbar (wet/muddy ground)

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6760270
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Can double stake with 2 12inch stakes?

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: Bruce T] #6760292
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Double stake only as a coyote will pump the single stake out of the ground.


Not if you run a longer chain.

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6760326
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I double stake with 18in rebar. Stake pumping is another reason I love shock springs.

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6760404
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If the stake swivel can't slide down the stake to get a new bite a coyote can't pump a single stake.


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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6760428
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I also ran with 20” smooth stakes and 28” to 30” of chain before I found out how wrong it was by reading these pages , lol . I also held a sixty five pound coon hound for years with the same stake and fifteen foot of chain, just didn’t know I couldn’t. !

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6760445
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Long chains make sense but I have a real problem burying that much chain at the set. Earth anchors or double stake with 2 18" smooth rods and 12" of chain.


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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6760505
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Originally Posted by mocoyotetrapping
Can double stake with 2 12inch stakes?


What part of your soil conditions dictate that not what some guy on the internet tells you?
If its frozen hard and not going to thaw you might get away with it once or twice. In any other condition and you will probably loose the coyote and your rig


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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: white dog] #6760536
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Originally Posted by gray dog
Not a good idea to pull any stake by the trap. Unless you like working on traps.


The only reason I pulled by the trap was to see if/how those stakes would hold. I figured if I couldn't budget the trap then a coyote wasn't going to.

I am 6'4, 230 lbs and had significant mechanical advantage compared to a coyote as I was able to pull directly up at 180 degrees to the anchor point. When it came time to pull the traps, I needed a crowbar to get things moving.

Again, take that for what it is worth... I have set a grand total of 10 K9 traps in my career and have yet to catch a coyote (I have caught a red fox... yes, just one)


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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: Leftlane] #6760547
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Originally Posted by Leftlane
Originally Posted by mocoyotetrapping
Can double stake with 2 12inch stakes?


What part of your soil conditions dictate that not what some guy on the internet tells you?
If its frozen hard and not going to thaw you might get away with it once or twice. In any other condition and you will probably loose the coyote and your rig


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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: danvee] #6760607
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Originally Posted by danvee
I trap every thing from farm ground to pasture and mountains I almost always use a 24 inch chain and dog knot stake catch 30 to 50 coyotes a year and never had one pump a stake. Rebar will get you in trouble especially with a short chain and a swivel that catches the stake. They stopped making the dog knot stakes years ago and they can be an SOB to pull but they work and if you do have a dog pull one they act like a drag. You can make one by using smooth cold rolled steel and heating or grinding a point the heat and flare the top or weld and driving head. Then weld an inch long bead 4 inches up from the point on each side of the stake and stagger the weld. The concept is when you drive the stake you create a larger hole because of the knot, the earth is constantly caving in and shifting the soil which fills in behind the knot locking the stake in. Wish they still made them and might be an opportunity for someone that works metal. With a 24 inch chain they have a hard time pumping with that stake, with rebar the swivel acts like a jack when they jump pulls the stake up the stake stays up a half inch the swivel slides down and catches the rebar. Coyote jumps up stake goes up swivel slides down and it keeps going up. If you use rebar double stake or go to an earth anchor.

I have had 3-4 pump a 30" stake after a rain on a 7' snare, even 7 feet they can pump one out, I have yet to have a 37" stake pumped out on a snare

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: M.Magis] #6760621
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Originally Posted by M.Magis
Probably, but depends on the soil.


Possibly


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Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: ~ADC~] #6760736
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Originally Posted by ~ADC~
Originally Posted by Bruce T
Double stake only as a coyote will pump the single stake out of the ground.


Not if you run a longer chain.

I've had 30" stakes pulled with 7' snare, but never a 37" stake

Re: Single staking for coyotes [Re: mocoyotetrapping] #6760935
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I use a lot of single stakes. On “short” chain too.

But I have very dense, very hard ground. Even when wet (to an extent). Gumbo clay is a different beast. I’ve gone back to pull stakes in the spring and had single stake rebar pull WAY harder than the wolf fangs.

Most mine are 27-30”. But I’ve used a lot of 24” in frozen ground. I’ve even used smooth beet rod in really hard ground.

A good rule of thumb, if you can stand over a freshly driven stake and with moderate effort pull it up by hand, it might not hold. A stake is easiest to pull immediately after driving all else equal. Once the ground settles or frost seizes it in it’ll hold better.

Danny gave good advice too. Pound the stake in till 6-8” is left, put a good 20ish degree bend in it and finish driving it. Really increases holding power.

What you run on the end of the chain makes a difference too. This single stake swivels are awful. Custom made for jacking. A welded lap link (cold shut) is better. Harder to get a “bite” on the stake.

All depends on the ground. Sandy, loamy, “light” soils, you better cross stake or use anchors.

Like I said, the gumbo clay common in many parts of the west is a different beast. Very fine particulate (lots of bentonite in it), and very dense when in its “virgin state”.

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