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Love your enemies? #6760850
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In Matthew 5, Jesus told us to love our enemies and pray for them. He explained that even pagans love those who love them, and great their own, so if we as Christians only so that we're not doing anything more than what the pagans do. This morning at the national prayer breakfast, Aurthur Brooks gave a speech about loving your enemy, something that's important to not forget in this time of high strung politics. After he spoke, trump got up and at the beginning of his speech, chuckled and said he didn't agree with Aurthur, implying that he didn't believe it's necessary to love one's enemies. So, without devolving into a pro-trump/anti-trump political debate, do you think we should follow the words of Jesus and love our enemies, including our political enemies? And what exactly does that look like?

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Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760865
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If loving your enemies means you let them walk all over you, tell you how to live, put your loved ones in harms way, destroy the economy of your country, enslave others, then no you don't love them. You kill them.


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760866
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So, without devolving into a pro-trump/anti-trump political debate, do you think we should follow the words of Jesus and love our enemies, including our political enemies? And what exactly does that look like?


We should, but won't/can't.

It would look like turning the world upside down.


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Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760869
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I think we should always strive(I used the word strive because I'm not perfect and a lot of Christian critics think we cant be Christians if we aren't perfect) to do what the Bible teaches us. What it looks like to love our enemies is the question a person must answer. I think what true love looks like is a pretty deep topic.

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760871
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You love people but hate and don't support the bad things that they do.


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Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760874
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You should love a heroin addict, homosexual, murderer, rapist, but a democrat is pushing it. laugh
If the greatest commandment is to love God with all your heart, soul, and mind and the second greatest, love they neighbor/enemy, is like the first, as a follower of Christ you should heed his words.


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Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760879
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Jesus loved his enemies. Jesus was a better man than I or the rest of you. I cannot be slapped in the face and smile about it. Sorry, I am mortal. All I can say is God bless President Trump! He is the best President in my lifetime and I'm no spring chicken. You fools that want to vote against him should go to the hospital and get your head removed from your arse.


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Re: Love your enemies? [Re: loosegoose] #6760883
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Sometimes I fall back on the Old Testament ....God didnt care for the believers to Join in with. Liars, idol worshipers, a whole list...... He kinda said do not mingle.
Sampson and Delilah was a good example

I understand what Matthew 5 says. And Im a firm believer of Christ, its just the Whole word of God which includes the Father Son and Holy Ghost. Some being a believer of the literal Bible leads me to Really lay on Faith.


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Originally Posted by Yes sir
I think we should always strive(I used the word strive because I'm not perfect and a lot of Christian critics think we cant be Christians if we aren't perfect) to do what the Bible teaches us.


God often asks us to do what is humanly impossible and they say being a Christian is for wimps.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If loving your enemies means you let them walk all over you, tell you how to live, put your loved ones in harms way, destroy the economy of your country, enslave others, then no you don't love them. You kill them.

We can love our children even if they are going down the wrong path. From God's perspective we are all his Children, even the ones that may be heading the wrong way.

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and according to your bible those beloved children get set on fire if they dont believe the bible is truth. if setting your kids on fire for disobeying you is your idea of love then i guess my answer is right in line with loving your enemies?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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God never met Nancy, Schiff or Nadler.

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
God never met Nancy, Schiff or Nadler.

Nor did he probably create them. They are the spawn of Satan.


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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
God never met Nancy, Schiff or Nadler.

Nor did he probably create them. They are the spawn of Satan.

Agreed


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I use the Bible like I use recipes.They are a "guideline"Great thing to start out with as a base, but some things need to be "tweeked" a bit. grin


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I totally agree with you Danny...

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Originally Posted by loosegoose
In Matthew 5, Jesus told us to love our enemies and pray for them. He explained that even pagans love those who love them, and great their own, so if we as Christians only so that we're not doing anything more than what the pagans do. This morning at the national prayer breakfast, Aurthur Brooks gave a speech about loving your enemy, something that's important to not forget in this time of high strung politics. After he spoke, trump got up and at the beginning of his speech, chuckled and said he didn't agree with Aurthur, implying that he didn't believe it's necessary to love one's enemies. So, without devolving into a pro-trump/anti-trump political debate, do you think we should follow the words of Jesus and love our enemies, including our political enemies? And what exactly does that look like?

Absolutely

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So, without devolving into a pro-trump/anti-trump political debate, do you think we should follow the words of Jesus and love our enemies, including our political enemies? And what exactly does that look like?


We should, but won't/can't.

It would look like turning the world upside down.


It certainly would turn the world upside down, but arguably that’s the story of the Bible beginning in Genesis and going through the Revelation:: God’s mission to turn the world upside down. Yes, we Christians should absolutely love our enemies, political or otherwise. However, as much as we want to argue about the goings on in Washington, the majority of our lives take place at home and at our work places. It makes little difference how we feel about our national representatives if we can’t love our actual neighbors: the jerk at work, the in-law I can’t stand, my politically backwards neighbor, the drug addict down the street, or even the guy who disagrees with my internet post.

Re: Love your enemies? [Re: danny clifton] #6760939
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
and according to your bible those beloved children get set on fire if they dont believe the bible is truth. if setting your kids on fire for disobeying you is your idea of love then i guess my answer is right in line with loving your enemies?


For me to even attempt to give an explanation of the consequences of the rejection of Jesus's atonement would take pages and I'm a poor typist. You have to have a good grasp of the whole picture and then we still dont have the mental understanding to see it through the perfection of our creator. Remember God is perfection in the full realm of the meaning which also means he has to be a just God. Justice is part of perfection, then throw in free will that he gives us and it gets into some deep water. When he gave us the glory of free will it also came with consequences.

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