Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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I'm glad you knew who I was talking about. Anybody that claims to be the voice of god is not someone i pay a lot of attention to.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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This post is internet gold
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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Aside from the child molester above, there is about zero difference between polygamy and serial monogamy, well except maybe the polygamist continues to support the first wives and the serial monogamist just moves on and lets the woman fend for itself or become a welfare liability. Wow, ya nailed it! Excellent point!
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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Imo the idea was to increase the members of the church. How many men would have 40-50 kids without having multiple wives? Another plus is teaching blind obedience. Lots easier to control people who are trained from birth to obey.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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Men didnt (don't) marry at puberty. They married in their early twenties. Many of them were pushed out or killed in all the gun battles of the early church. By marrying young girls there were more options. Pick up a few from your neighbor when he died and a few more when his daughters began menstruating
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut. We've all been there Bernie. We've all been there brother. I heard a man say one time (and now I snicker every time it comes back to mind), He told his wife, "YOU KNOW! 95% OF THE WOMEN IN THIS WORLD WOULD LOVE TO BE WITH A MAN LIKE ME!" And without missing a beat, she said, "Sounds about right. 95% of people are wrong at any given time."
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut. I don't think you're wired for two20....probably blow all your fuses.
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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Imo the idea was to increase the members of the church. How many men would have 40-50 kids without having multiple wives? Another plus is teaching blind obedience. Lots easier to control people who are trained from birth to obey. I just did the 23 and Me DNA test. My maternal grandmother was a Utah mormon that met my grandfather and got out. Anywho....that side of the family tree is heavy with branches. Assuming because her grandfather had multiple wives
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut. I heard an old guy tell his wife that same thing. She came back "Dear, you are not wired to handle 220"
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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Talk about the Mormons all you want, but at least they were out in the open about it....The Catholic's on the other hand with what they did, were not, they tried to hide it... And for that to have happened all over the word with alarming regularity points to a central condoning of homosexual child molestation.
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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As long as all the people in a polygamous marriage are consenting adults, I don't care who marries who. It's their business, not mine.
Keith Anyone OK with this???? Looks like creepy joe biden getting ready to do some hair sniffin.
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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Mormonism and Islam both would seem to focus on procreation as a means to make one's name great. Same old sin that's been going on since... well, way back when. Modern day Mormon's really aren't aware of the behind the scenes doctrine of their faith, but it's not a traditional orthodox faith. Joseph Smith, who is their visionary, had a legal law marriage as a facade, but there are now compelling reports of over 40 others he "married" in secret. Sometimes marrying the daughter of a woman first and then her mother. So you get women in this life seems to be a theme. Islam just promises women in the next. Women and sex. Go figure. Who would figure you could get able bodied men if that were taught some of this from a mountainside or pulpit?
In our traditional Christianity, Moses writing that a man would become one flesh with one woman, a covenant created by God, and that a man was to only have one wife was absolutely outside normal customs of his time;
A time when marriage was pretty fluid, divorces were easily obtained with the man saying just a few words, multiple concubines were encouraged, eunuchs and more used as partners, man on man was not shameful, but expected, underage of any flavor was not wrong, orgies common, etc.
Today, we sit in the doctrine of the Christian faith when we say "I do, till death to us part." There had/has been no such teaching, before or since Moses was Divinely Inspired to write.
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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I never would have thought of comparing Mormonism with Islam.....Wow!, just wow.
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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One time I told my wife that when she got to be 40 I was going to trade her in for two 20's. That didn't go over well. She brought it up again when she turned 40 and then I said I didn't want to have to start over training two of them. Well that didn't go over well either. Now she's 58 and I have learned to just keep my mouth shut. Maybe you can go for three in two years.
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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Today, we sit in the doctrine of the Christian faith when we say "I do, till death to us part." There had/has been no such teaching, before or since Moses was Divinely Inspired to write. Thats not really accurate. There are many cultures and religions where one man one woman is practiced. A sackful that had never heard of judaism.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Utah Going Back To Polygamy?
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I never would have thought of comparing Mormonism with Islam.....Wow!, just wow. I didn't compare the doctrine of their faith ky_coyote_hunter. I compared their dogma of what they profess about the woman. Doctrine is another slice of apple pie. And most Mormons I know, and it is a growing religion, especially in Africa and abroad, are really nice people who really don't know the core doctrine of their faith. When I ask a Mormon (typically really nice, educated people), about the God they are knocking on my door about, there's usually two of them looking at me. One the mentor and one the student. I ask about their Father, Son, and Holy Spirit God? They say we believe in that. But then I say, but your church tenets say there is a Holy Mother in Heaven who conceived with a Holy Father and that's now 4 God's including the Mother? They start to defend. And I ask why their church believes that God, the Father was once a man? They usually go to another door at that point. And I didn't even get to the part where Mormonism especially emphasizes the sexual act in marriage and re-production that begins the liberating process of spirit-children being given flesh and through the Mormon church process becoming God's themselves (Mormon Doctrine 320)?? "I cannot conceive it possible that God could be a person if he filled the immensity of space and was everywhere present at the same time. It is unreasonable... to imagine that even God the eternal Father would be in two places, as an individual, at the same moment. It is impossible. [Gospel Doctrines: Selections from the Sermons and Writings of Jospeh F. Smith, 12th ed. Salt Lake Deseret, 1961, 55-56] Jesus warned us repeatedly there would be false prophets, professing in his name. Amen.
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