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Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! #6770096
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McFeely: Cheers to the Minnesota DNR's big bluegill initiative, with hope of more to come
13 Otter Tail County lakes, five Becker County lakes on list for possible lower limits
Written By: Mike McFeely | Feb 12th 2020 - 2pm.
The Minnesota DNR is proposing special regulations that would lower bag limits on bluegills on some lakes in an effort to produce bigger sunfish in many waters around the state. These special regulation proposals currently include five lakes within the Glenwood Area DNR's work area and could include almost two dozen lakes in Otter Tail County. Forum News Service file photo
The Minnesota DNR is proposing special regulations that would lower bag limits on bluegills on some lakes in an effort to produce bigger sunfish in many waters around the state. These special regulation proposals currently include five lakes within the Glenwood Area DNR's work area and could include almost two dozen lakes in Otter Tail County. Forum News Service file photo
The Minnesota Department of Natural


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Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770154
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Our DNR did that a few times. Didn't work as they wanted it to. Over populated most of the lakes with the sunfish. A slot limit would be better and may work.

Side affect was it did help grow bass and catfish in size and weight.

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A lot of the uppers in DNR's don't even trap, hunt or fish. These things happen when libtards infiltrate our departments of wildlife. It's nuts!


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Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770213
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there is a pond in were my grandmother lives , residents and their families may fish and if is all catch and release , blue gill , sun fish and a few bass.

if you haven't caught a fish in 30 seconds you better check if you still have bait.

but you better be using a small hook or you won't be reeling any in

some fish need to come out or they all end up ting in my experience

a slot might work


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Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770217
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Many MN lakes get hammered by fishermen. We have a lot of lakes but tons of fishermen. I am unfamiliar with how the panfish are doing in those lakes but I could see a lower limit being justified in some of our local lakes.

Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770222
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We had quality deer management areas they came up with here so they blocked off the roads, now you need to drag a deer a mile to your vehicle or have a quality heart attack either one. I think it saves money for them not needing to keep the road up was the real reason.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770229
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And they wonder why participation is falling...........

Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770254
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
And they wonder why participation is falling...........

My take on falling fisherman numbers ...

A big part of it is 7,496 page Rule book and growing

The hunting and fishing Law , Synopsis- rule book is so Thick and detailed that its Almost not readable

When I was 10 I used to read the regs book each year ...Now a 15 year old couldn't figure it out


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Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770338
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Was the decision made on science and biology or a knee jerk reaction? Just like the catfish laws in Indiana. There is no reason to change anything and then comes along a few crybaby internet trolls who occasionally catfish tournaments and put pressure on politicians to reduce the daily limit.
Out pops our dud of DNR and reduce the limit and adjust the minimum size limit. All changes based on nothing.

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Originally Posted by Netman
Was the decision made on science and biology or a knee jerk reaction? Just like the catfish laws in Indiana. There is no reason to change anything and then comes along a few crybaby internet trolls who occasionally catfish tournaments and put pressure on politicians to reduce the daily limit.
Out pops our dud of DNR and reduce the limit and adjust the minimum size limit. All changes based on nothing.

I think they come out of college with their biology degree and they have to have something to do


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Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770352
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That doesnít sound too bad.
At least your DNR didnít decide to import Canada geese to your State with the theory that they would migrate back North come Spring and then return the following year.
The geese had other plans. They liked it so much down here they decided to stay! It was nice to have something new to shoot at, but now we even have a special early season and our regular season. A lot of places have to sometimes hire shooters to come in to remove the geese. The good news is they started banding them...everyone in SWGA thatís shot a goose has a band to prove it, lol! They even gathered a bunch up from a local downtown Lake because they were over populated and carried them down South about 50 miles to a much larger lake and when released, they flew straight back to the lake they got them from, lol!!! So now thereís a city lake surrounded by houses with banded Canada geese crapping everywhere.

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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
That doesnít sound too bad.
At least your DNR didnít decide to import Canada geese to your State with the theory that they would migrate back North come Spring and then return the following year.
The geese had other plans. They liked it so much down here they decided to stay! It was nice to have something new to shoot at, but now we even have a special early season and our regular season. A lot of places have to sometimes hire shooters to come in to remove the geese. The good news is they started banding them...everyone in SWGA thatís shot a goose has a band to prove it, lol! They even gathered a bunch up from a local downtown Lake because they were over populated and carried them down South about 50 miles to a much larger lake and when released, they flew straight back to the lake they got them from, lol!!! So now thereís a city lake surrounded by houses with banded Canada geese crapping everywhere.

Thats how they "Boosted" our Wolf populations tired


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Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770379
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Here in Ohio, you probably can't hook and line catch enough bluegill to adversely effect the bluegill population in a healthy body of water. The more bluegill you pull out the more babies successfully reach decent size. Older bluegill size goes up in bodies of water that are heavily fished too.

Bluegill typically only live 5 to 8 years. The can breed at very small, non useful sizes and large females can lay 60,000 eggs every time they spawn and spawn multiple times a year.

Do bluegill have recruitment issues in cold Northern waters?

Keith

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Originally Posted by KeithC
Here in Ohio, you probably can't hook and line catch enough bluegill to adversely effect the bluegill population in a healthy body of water. The more bluegill you pull out the more babies successfully reach decent size. Older bluegill size goes up in bodies of water that are heavily fished too.

Do bluegill have recruitment issues in cold Northern waters?

Keith

Unless you fish in a area with Amish, they will reduce to nill.


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I'm right in the middle of this area and can say for now that I think it's a great idea. This area has always been known as a magnet for tourism with all the lakes in the area. And with that comes the attitude that I spent good money on a license, by golly I'm going to get money's worth. The result is that people keep whatever they catch up to and exceeding their limit, may fish way too small to keep. Release?? No way! Just last weekend I was on an area lake that was so full of fish houses, it would rival any small town. Not the first time and it won't be the last by a long shot. The fish are hit hard to the point that it's become difficult to catch a keeper, yet next weekend it'll swamped again. If the limits are reduced (10 right now) maybe the big ones will return again. I have no problem catching 4-5 nice ones for a meal vs 10-15 for the same amount of meat. Conservation


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What Catch said....^^^ And the asian groups with 11 kids each. That grind whole 5 gal. Pails of any size bluegill and crappie.


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Re: Lots of these DNR initiatives go haywire!!! [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770422
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330 I don't think it is just the Asian groups. Here we have a lot of Amish with huge families. When they go fishing the boat is full and there are many 5 gal pails that get taken out of our lakes daily with pan fish. Size here doesn't matter.

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Iíve seen smaller bodies of water here in Ohio with large populations of big sunfish hammered to the point you couldnít catch one over 4Ē within a matter of a few years. Once the word got out the meat hunters show up in herds.

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There's a thing going on in my neck of the woods and I seem to be going nowhere with our DOW. Shreve Lake is our local fishery and they shut it down about 4 years ago. I won't go into the details of my conversations with them but included was a size limit or something. I do not like to encourage any Gov agency because they are knotheads and always screw things up. But the ding dang Amish take everything and poof, the fishing sucks.


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We do have one lake here that has enormous bluegills in it. It is a PRIVATE run lake and the min. length to keep is 10 inches. Nothing smaller are you allowed to keep. For whatever reason it has worked there very well. it is not uncommon for a good fisherman to catch 5-10 keepers in a few hrs there. Mostly in the spring but some can find them year round.

From what I have been told there is only gills and catfish in the lake. With lots and lots of catfish to keep the numbers of gills in check.

the only cats I have caught there were 2-5 lb channel cats. There is supposed to be alot of really big channel cats there though.

The owners won't let the DNR on the lake for any reason.

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