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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770663
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You ask a classic 19th century (1800's), humanistic question built upon the atheistic thesis presented by philosophers and theologians (non-Christian) of that day... as to why there is no God.

It's a big topic and there are answers but TMan probably isn't the best spot to answer this intriguing question.


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770669
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Isaiah 64:6. You can not earn it..


Epstein didn't kill himself...
Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770670
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We mash a cockroach under our foot without giving it a second thought, why would we deny God the same choice?

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770672
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
if they live a virtuous life?

All have fallen short. But hypothetically if someone lived a perfectly sinless life I would say hypothetically yes.

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: James] #6770673
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Originally Posted by James
Do they have a separate section in the heavenly bleachers for those who believed in Jesus, but lived the life of scoundrels?

Jim



Luke 7

21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Ephesian 2:8

"For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, not a result of works, so that no one may boast."


In secular terms, a Mexican can sing the Star Spangled Banner, wear an American flag, work in America, but it does not make them an American. An American can break every law the United States has, but when they are caught for judgment day, their actions forfeit the right of being an American. Likewise an atheist can be the best person in the world, but not accepting God's payment for their rebellion in Jesus as their payment for their eternal death, negates the good deeds. Likewise a person can sit in the pew every Sunday and spout Bible verses, but if they have not accepted the Way, the Truth and the Life, the seed of eternal life in them will never grow as the Holy Ghost is not in them., Both receive the same end they desired as they chose it.

God gave each person the free will to decide what their future is, but it is according to God's Rules, not what their intellect argues of what is right or wrong in their flawed reasoning.

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770674
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Its not a topic for any titled theoHornedphilosoWhatevertitle man makes up

Christ gave us the answer

No


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770677
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You do realize you can't just talk the talk you have to walk the walk? There are very few real followers of christ in this world.

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770678
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A person cannot receive eternal life (wherever that might be spent, heaven, paradise, or whatever you want to call it) by a "virtuous life".

The reason a virtuous life won't do you any good is because it would then be because of your good behavior, or in other words, God would owe it to you because you deserve it. God doesn't work that way; He is never put in the position where He owes us anything.

It's his gift to us that allows us to have eternal life; we can't earn it.


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: waggler] #6770680
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Originally Posted by waggler
A person cannot receive eternal life (wherever that might be spent, heaven, paradise, or whatever you want to call it) by a "virtuous life".

The reason a virtuous life won't do you any good is because it would then be because of your good behavior, or in other words, God would owe it to you because you deserve it. God doesn't work that way; He is never put in the position where He owes us anything.

It's his gift to us that allows us to have eternal life; we can't earn it.

Amen!!


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770682
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Ray Comfort has a pretty good test if you think you are worthy..


Epstein didn't kill himself...
Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: James] #6770683
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Originally Posted by James
Do they have a separate section in the heavenly bleachers for those who believed in Jesus, but lived the life of scoundrels?

Jim


From what I understand the better Christian you are, the better Heaven will be for you.


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Posco] #6770694
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Originally Posted by Posco
None so clean that they can and none so dirty that they can't. Runs contrary to the way man thinks.


exactly

YES, they can if they get saved before death, or even accepted Christ early in life, but backslid their adult life, since "once saved always saved."


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770695
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You and your wife die and both go to heaven. She is a lot better person than you and gets a higher reward in Heaven. What happens to you. Can you still see her or be with her. Or do you have to visit her and once the visit is over do you have to leave and go to your lower place in heaven. There are now billions of people in Heaven. How is all this going to be decided when each soul sees each other. Some of this doesn’t make sense.

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The Bible says in several places we get to Heaven "not by works", but through salvation, by accepting Christ as our saviour.


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770700
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
You and your wife die and both go to heaven. She is a lot better person than you and gets a higher reward in Heaven. What happens to you. Can you still see her or be with her. Or do you have to visit her and once the visit is over do you have to leave and go to your lower place in heaven. There are now billions of people in Heaven. How is all this going to be decided when each soul sees each other. Some of this doesn’t make sense.



You are right , some of it we will just have to see when we get there


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770702
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
There are now billions of people in Heaven.


Millions wouldn't surprise me, billions would.

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: traprjohn] #6770703
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Originally Posted by traprjohn
"once saved always saved."


I believe that, John. I think a man can rob himself of the assurance of his salvation but the Lord never goes back on his word. The Bible tells us to work out our salvation with fear and trembling. We can't trust ourselves.

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6770704
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
You and your wife die and both go to heaven. She is a lot better person than you and gets a higher reward in Heaven. What happens to you. Can you still see her or be with her. Or do you have to visit her and once the visit is over do you have to leave and go to your lower place in heaven. There are now billions of people in Heaven. How is all this going to be decided when each soul sees each other. Some of this doesn’t make sense.

I wont see her anyway...till death do us part...contract ends. wink


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: 330-Trapper] #6770706
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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
I wont see her anyway...till death do us part...contract ends. wink

Lol!

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: adam m] #6770708
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Originally Posted by adam m
Originally Posted by James
Do they have a separate section in the heavenly bleachers for those who believed in Jesus, but lived the life of scoundrels?

Jim

Matthew 7:21-23 nasb

Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23“And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROMME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’



I would say the most important words in this are, "but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter."

I don't think it's a coincidence that God is a shortened form of good and devil can be shortened to evil.

Keith

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