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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Getting There] #6771107
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Originally Posted by Getting There
There is no answer to the question because they are dead. The rest is just hear say or something a live person wrote. JMO


I disagree.


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Mack] #6771166
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Originally Posted by Mack
Maybe "Religious Beliefs" should be one of the topics listed at the top of the page that is off limits.


Not going to happen. The Boss man is a Christian and upholds Christian beliefs. One of the reasons I stick around here. LLL


Isaiah 51:6 But my salvation will last forever, my righteousness will never fail.
Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6771172
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As a child growing up in a Catholic school, I was taught that suicide was a mortal sin. Therefore, according to my teachings, if Hitler repented before he shot himself, he would still burn in eternity for murdering himself.
Nobody still hasn’t answered one of my questions in this thread. Would a fair and righteous God send a non-believer virtuous person to the same place to rot as a mass murdering monster such as Adolph Hitler who caused untold hideous suffering?

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6771174
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Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
Nobody still hasn’t answered one of my questions in this thread. Would a fair and righteous God send a non-believer virtuous person to the same place to rot as a mass murdering monster such as Adolph Hitler who caused untold hideous suffering?

Yes


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Bruce T] #6771176
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
Nobody still hasn’t answered one of my questions in this thread. Would a fair and righteous God send a non-believer virtuous person to the same place to rot as a mass murdering monster such as Adolph Hitler who caused untold hideous suffering?


Yes


If that is the case then all I can say is Wow!

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6771178
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They both are bad Grandpa Trapper.Be it murder or denying God and Jesus.Both will land you in the bad place unless you repent and truly regret your sins before you die.


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6771180
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God only loves his children that give money to the church.

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: HondaXR250] #6771181
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Originally Posted by HondaXR250
God only loves his children that give money to the church.


That's only the Catholics. laugh


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: HondaXR250] #6771185
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Originally Posted by HondaXR250
God only loves his children that give money to the church.

Not true at all.


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Bruce T] #6771209
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by Grandpa Trapper
Nobody still hasn’t answered one of my questions in this thread. Would a fair and righteous God send a non-believer virtuous person to the same place to rot as a mass murdering monster such as Adolph Hitler who caused untold hideous suffering?

Yes

My understanding is Jesus provides a way, then we make a choice. So I dont believe God sends anyone to hades but rather we chose it.

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: LLtrapper] #6771221
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Originally Posted by LLtrapper
Originally Posted by Mack
Maybe "Religious Beliefs" should be one of the topics listed at the top of the page that is off limits.


Not going to happen. The Boss man is a Christian and upholds Christian beliefs. One of the reasons I stick around here. LLL

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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Bruce T] #6771226
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by HondaXR250
God only loves his children that give money to the church.

Not true at all.


I would say that's not true too. That is however what many preachers, who make their living off of people "giving money to God", want people to believe.

The primary purpose that I see organized religion used for is to control the behavior of other people to obtain wealth and power. What better tool for extortion can there be than the threat of eternal suffering if you fail to agree exactly with your pastor and do exactly as they say.

Keith

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6771231
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Lots of motives to the forming of a Denomination

Some good some become cults


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6771242
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You don't rise to the occasion, you fall to the level of your training.

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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6771261
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What happens to us after we die is a level of consciousness that we cannot comprehend. As vain and selfish humans we try to define it ......hence the number of religions that exist. I think we all have a soul and therefore I am a spiritual being. IMO organized religion and it's enforcement has been the cause of war and genocide and tragedy throughout history. If you feel you need a strict religious belief system to treat others well then you already have a problem.

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Originally Posted by MsgRet
What happens to us after we die is a level of consciousness that we cannot comprehend. As vain and selfish humans we try to define it ......hence the number of religions that exist. I think we all have a soul and therefore I am a spiritual being. IMO organized religion and it's enforcement has been the cause of war and genocide and tragedy throughout history. If you feel you need a strict religious belief system to treat others well then you already have a problem.


I think it has more to do with being curious than being vain and selfish, but I otherwise tend to agree.

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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: ] #6771287
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Originally Posted by MsgRet
What happens to us after we die is a level of consciousness that we cannot comprehend. As vain and selfish humans we try to define it ......hence the number of religions that exist. I think we all have a soul and therefore I am a spiritual being. IMO organized religion and it's enforcement has been the cause of war and genocide and tragedy throughout history. If you feel you need a strict religious belief system to treat others well then you already have a problem.

The number of religions are due to someone not agreeing with something and starting their own religion.


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Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #6771297
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I guess what I meant is that we often fear what we don't know and the vanity and selfishness begins when a group of people think that their view of the unknown is the only correct view and they impose it on others.

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: Bruce T] #6771299
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Originally Posted by Bruce T
Originally Posted by MsgRet
What happens to us after we die is a level of consciousness that we cannot comprehend. As vain and selfish humans we try to define it ......hence the number of religions that exist. I think we all have a soul and therefore I am a spiritual being. IMO organized religion and it's enforcement has been the cause of war and genocide and tragedy throughout history. If you feel you need a strict religious belief system to treat others well then you already have a problem.

The number of religions are due to someone not agreeing with something and starting their own religion.


If it is so important to God for people to believe and act in a very specific way, why would an omnipotent, all powerful being allow so much confusion? I would posit that the small differences are not important to him.

Keith

Re: Can an Atheist or Agnostic go to Heaven [Re: ] #6771302
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Originally Posted by MsgRet
I guess what I meant is that we often fear what we don't know and the vanity and selfishness begins when a group of people think that their view of the unknown is the only correct view and they impose it on others.

There are many views but for me I will have to go with the one started from Jesus himself and his disciples.I need all the help I can get.


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