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Eagles and Lead #6773273
02/17/20 07:28 AM
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Saw on the news in Carolina, eagles found with lead poison. Officials cite deer hunters as the cause.

Really?

How many bullets would an eagle have to digest?

Does lead frag on impact?

Just curious how legit the claim is.

Last edited by HobbieTrapper; 02/17/20 07:28 AM.

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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773276
02/17/20 07:29 AM
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Just another way to try and outlaw hunting.


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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773277
02/17/20 07:34 AM
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Maybe a way to eliminate affordable ammunition, not many lead smelters left either.

If lead were that bad, we would all have been dead a long time ago.


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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773282
02/17/20 07:42 AM
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I thought cali was lead free for hunting already


Life sure is tough when you don't learn from the mistakes of others.
Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: Trap Setter] #6773283
02/17/20 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Trap Setter
I thought cali was lead free for hunting already

California is brain free


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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773295
02/17/20 08:18 AM
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Article says that the big box stores need to start carrying only copper or non lead shells only... always another lib to deal with.

Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773296
02/17/20 08:18 AM
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I would imagine if they are eating a lot of "not followed up on" deer it could be a problem.

From what I remember in college it's pretty bird dependent on how much is needed to kill one. Some could eat one lead bullet and die. Others could dang near eat a whole lead battery and be fine.

We went to a bird sanctuary once that had a couple BOP's that had lead poisoning. Most of them had some sort of neurological condition. There was one there to look at it you wouldn't think there was anything really wrong with it. It would fly around. Fight. Everything a normal bird would do.....Right up until feeding time. It just couldn't feed itself. They had to force feed it this mush type of stuff like you would a baby bird.


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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773304
02/17/20 08:27 AM
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i bet lead kills a bunch but theres always a big hole too. wink









Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773312
02/17/20 08:33 AM
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World has plenty of owls, eagles , hawks and falcons. Eagles are good scavengers. Especially this time of year when there are no turkey buzzards. Owls hawks and falcon numbers need reduced about 90%. Eagles could be cut in half and there would still be plenty. These communists get on tv flapping their lips to make lies and somehow people believe it.


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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773313
02/17/20 08:36 AM
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So what. Eagles are not threatened.

Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773314
02/17/20 08:37 AM
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Just more anti propaganda.

Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773323
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The US has given eagles a very special immunity and a direct attachment to the heartstrings of our residents. I’m not saying they should be eradicated and that they didn’t deserve protection at times, but the overprotection is ridiculous. The way the average is citizen views an Eagle is that they do have rights. No wonder our country is losing touch with reality. I know many die hard sportsman that view eagles as “untouchable” not because of the laws but because they truly have been indoctrinated to believe these animals are more special and important than other wildlife.... JMO eagles, hawks, owls, are an important part of wildlife and play an important role. They should be managed not given immunity. Most of these birds of prey are in such abundance now they have made pests of themselves. And are having negative impacts on other forms of wildlife.

Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: ZAC] #6773331
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Originally Posted by ZAC
The US has given eagles a very special immunity and a direct attachment to the heartstrings of our residents. I’m not saying they should be eradicated and that they didn’t deserve protection at times, but the overprotection is ridiculous. The way the average is citizen views an Eagle is that they do have rights. No wonder our country is losing touch with reality. I know many die hard sportsman that view eagles as “untouchable” not because of the laws but because they truly have been indoctrinated to believe these animals are more special and important than other wildlife.... JMO eagles, hawks, owls, are an important part of wildlife and play an important role. They should be managed not given immunity. Most of these birds of prey are in such abundance now they have made pests of themselves. And are having negative impacts on other forms of wildlife.



THIS

I love all birds of prey I remember back in the early 70s my parents taking us way back in the north woods just on the chance to maybe see an eagle and a few years later a report on the news that MN had 8 active eagle nests and all the excitement about it

Well last year I topped that because I know where there are 27 just along the couple different routes I drive back and forth to work, I have no real idea how many other bird of prey nest I know of

Like Zac states about they do need to be managed but unfortunately the majority of uninformed people basing their decisions only on emotion prevents any such changes



�Everything in excess! To enjoy the flavor of life, take big bites. Moderation is for monks.�
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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773332
02/17/20 09:07 AM
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We have to use Copper, carry out the guts, or bury the gut pile here in Northern Az. The California Condors can’t handle the lead fragments either.

Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773338
02/17/20 09:14 AM
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If your using copper why don't they want them eating gut piles?


Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: HobbieTrapper] #6773339
02/17/20 09:15 AM
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Scientists have known for decades that Lead can be a boogie man and poison things.. I read some of the old stories about gasoline industry and lead and it is really something..
My sister is very much up to speed on birds of prey. Is kind of her thing to photograph them much like Johnathan did with water fowl.. Any way her and I have had this eagle's eating lead bullet discussion more than couple times. I have no reason to question that some eagles are indeed being poisoned by lead. I do question how many really are and where they are picking up the lead? There was no doubt that DDT was a big culprit in the decline of many birds in the 60s-70s.. We always had eagles here along the Mississippi far back as I can recall.. We now have eagles literally in the hundreds at ice out as they migrate back north.
I kind of think this eagles eating lead is the now become the new... "If it saves one child" battle cry against lead.. I personally find it hard to believe there are that many deer laying around with lead in them. Then that one eagle has to pick up that one bullet or piece of it. Then some one has to see and capture that one sick eagle and bring it in.. Awful lot of things got to happen to get that one lead bullet into that one eagle..
Not saying eagles don't get poisoned by lead.. I believe my sister and she say is real deal. I really do question though where they are picking it up. Here along the river is probably a better chance they'd pick up a split shot while picking their grit???? They must pick grit like any bird?? don't they? Of course we all know lead sinker are whipping out the Loons too?? Right? We have been shooting steel shot here on river since I think late 70 early 80s..
I just don't get it how them birds can find that one little lead bullet in great big world..With as many eagles as there are here now if the lead was such a big problem. There would be all kinds of birds flopping around all over the place..oh yeah and deer season is just November, December thing here..


Mac


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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: pcr2] #6773343
02/17/20 09:23 AM
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Originally Posted by pcr2
i bet lead kills a bunch but theres always a big hole too. wink


pcr2:

Tell my WHY would anyone want to kill an Eagle?


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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: Getting There] #6773349
02/17/20 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Originally Posted by pcr2
i bet lead kills a bunch but theres always a big hole too. wink


pcr2:

Tell my WHY would anyone want to kill an Eagle?


I believe would be mostly ignorance.. Same as people think they can save every bird.

Mac


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Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: Getting There] #6773351
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Originally Posted by Getting There
Originally Posted by pcr2
i bet lead kills a bunch but theres always a big hole too. wink


pcr2:

Tell my WHY would anyone want to kill an Eagle?

Ask a sheep Rancher in SD.

Re: Eagles and Lead [Re: danny clifton] #6773352
02/17/20 09:31 AM
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If your using copper why don't they want them eating gut piles?


Copper is one of the options. AZ game and fish actually gives you a box of factory or you can get just the bullets and reload

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