Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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02/17/20 07:24 PM
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danny clifton
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"Grumpy Old Man"
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my phone number is listed. im not hiding. not behind a fake name or an unlisted number
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: Getting There]
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02/17/20 07:38 PM
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330-Trapper
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there are plenty of eagles in the world. i dont want to quit using lead cause 4-5 out of every thousand die from ingesting it. HOWEVER, i have been a truck driver most of my adult life. I will get behind an initiative to ban trains as they kill several every year too. The numbers are not really known. Only the ones that are found are taken in for rehab. A lot of them do not make it. I know a guy that is not a trapper kill every otter he spots in the river because he feel they eat to many fish. I know people like that also
NRA and NTA Life Member www.BackroadsRevised@etsy.com
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: Getting There]
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02/17/20 07:48 PM
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GROUSEWIT
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Here in the Susquehanna and Juniata rivers we used to have muskrat houses on darn near every grass patch and island in the rivers, then along comes the plan to build White Headed Buzzard hacking towers!! No more muskrats!!! Where did they go? The White Headed Vulture (Buzzard) is a Vulture they have NO power in there feet so they only eat carrion ( dead meat). How is the mink, bob cat population? Low thats why I trap in other states.
NRALIFER,PRPA LIFER,HUNTER,FURTAKER
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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02/17/20 08:44 PM
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Bigbrownie
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[url=https: Eagle on my carcass pile at my house. A few .22 slugs in the pile, for sure. I never considered it would be a problem. I guess you could send them all to a landfill....but my garbage man ain’t gonna like it.
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: 52Carl]
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02/17/20 11:29 PM
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Catch22
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"There was no doubt that DDT was a big culprit in the decline of many birds in the 60s-70s" Really? I suppose in certain circles there is "no doubt". I am not in that circle, as I have challenged anyone who espouses this notion to provide unbiased scientific proof that this is factual. I have yet to have anyone provide it. If I remember, a while back there was info posted. Did you post anything saying hoorah for your circle? I don't remember, it's been a bit. My thing is when any apex predator is permitted to go unchecked and takes food from my table, well, I think it BS.
I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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02/18/20 07:13 AM
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danny clifton
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When I was a kid shooting hawks owls and eagles was a good thing. It was a pretty common idea of conservation to kill predators. The boy scout handbook had a drawing of a kid shooting a bobcat in it. There was a lot more small game too. A lot more.
Here in KS deer were scarce. They all got ate in the depression years. At least the ones that didn't die drought related deaths.
The fact remains nobody really knows if DDT effects bird eggs. It effects insect populations though. Just like pesticide used today. You know the pricey stuff that replaced DDT. No bugs means a lot of ground nesting birds don't eat much. Used to be real common to see scissortails , whippoorwills , prairie chickens , bob white quail and meadowlarks here in my part of KS. Over the course of the 40 years I have lived here I estimate the populations have dropped 80-90%. Rabbits and muskrats the same thing.
Hawks owls and eagles are everywhere. Time to start killing them again.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: danny clifton]
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02/18/20 08:38 AM
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Clark
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...Over the course of the 40 years I have lived here I estimate the populations have dropped 80-90%. Rabbits and muskrats the same thing.
Hawks owls and eagles are everywhere. Time to start killing them again. Probably no changes in habitat or farming practices over those 40 years?
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. -Albert Einstein
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: HobbieTrapper]
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02/18/20 09:37 AM
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danny clifton
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"Grumpy Old Man"
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i never saw a eagle eat a hawk but i never saw an animal they would not eat either
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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: coalbank]
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02/18/20 10:26 AM
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walleye101
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Just an observation from the lands I tread on. It seems the Red Tail hawks have been in decline around here. A hawk was a very common site on any given farm. There are certain trees preferred on each place that would have a hawk perched in them each morning. In the past 3-4 years they have been nearly absent. No longer do I see 4-5 at a time soaring above the chicken pens. Not sure where they went or why the decline but, am convinced there are less now at least in this area.
Eagle sightings have sky rocketed. 5 at a time soaring over my place were seen. Eagles eat hawks? As Clark points out there have been changes in habitat (and prey abundance) as well. Predator populations can only increase so long before there is an inevitable crash. As small game has declined from unchecked predation and habitat loss, eventually the predators that depend on that prey base (hawks) will decline as well. Eagles are probably doing well since deer populations make roadkill quite abundant.
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Re: Eagles and Lead
[Re: danny clifton]
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02/18/20 10:33 AM
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walleye101
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When they have to they will, but I believe they are less prone to scavaging than eagles. Anyway, if or when the protectionists succeed at banning lead it will be interesting to see what the next major cause of eagle mortality will be. Watching the protectionists try to eliminate all sources of mortality in an ever expanding population is like watching someone play whack-a-mole.
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