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Miller-Urey experiment #6778087
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%80%93Urey_experiment So is this interesting to anybody else? While it doesn't prove origin of life on earth, that project and the ones being done today suggest it is/was possible

With the unimaginable expanse of space, number of stars planets and moons, how can anybody not wonder what else is out there? Or here for that matter.


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Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: danny clifton] #6778312
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Nature abhors a void.

There is speculation that we will find thousands of new species when they get down to the bottom of the deep sea trenches that they are fixed to do soon with that new titanium enforced sub we have been reading about.


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One of the basic precepts of biology is that life does not arise from non-life. To believe in anything other than creation by a supreme being, you must essentially believe that a rock turned into a human, through a number of complex processes.

Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: danny clifton] #6778371
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if you say so loosegoose it must be true. thank you for explaining it


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Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: danny clifton] #6778376
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Here is what nasa has to say about it. Tell me again about the rocks.


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FWIW just because I dont know and you dont know, and no one else knows either, is not proof that life originated from a creator, an invisible entity that has always existed, with magic powers.


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Science is math and math is science. Many leading mathematicians claim there's zero to the enth degree chance life arose by happenstance.

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Which ones?


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Not to be a burr under the saddle...but, in genesis how did God make life? Wasn't his raw materials non-living?


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Originally Posted by danny clifton


With the unimaginable expanse of space, number of stars planets and moons, how can anybody not wonder what else is out there? Or here for that matter.


13.8 billion years ago BANG instant universe, 4.5 billion years ago, Earth forms, it is basically molten with no atmosphere. 3.5 billion years ago, Earth cools and almost instantaneously we find life in single cell organisms. It will take 3 billion years for single cell organisms to become multi celled.

Life seems to have formed almost as soon as conditions allowed though complex life took along time to come about. Scientist estimate there are 40 Billion Earth like planets in the Milky way Galaxy and there are at least 100 Billion Galaxies each containing likely billions of Earth like planets.

Knowing life formed quickly in conditions that have been repeated on Billions of other planets it seems to me that there is very likely other life out there. Knowing Earth is a young planet it is possible that other life has Billions of years head start on life on Earth.

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If the "big bang" was real do you think it was the beginning of time? Is it possible that black holes just keep gaining mass. Combining together over billions of years until another big bang occurs? Why can there only have been one big bang? Perhaps space and time are infinite. No beginning or end?


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Which ones?


Check out John Lennox for one. He's debated all the big names on your side of the aisle.

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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If the "big bang" was real do you think it was the beginning of time? Is it possible that black holes just keep gaining mass. Combining together over billions of years until another big bang occurs? Why can there only have been one big bang? Perhaps space and time are infinite. No beginning or end?


Because there is no evidence for it.

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Thanks Posco. Im no mathematician so it all comes down to who you think is most likely correct i suppose.


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there is absolute proof our galaxy is expanding outward from the center


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
If the "big bang" was real do you think it was the beginning of time? Is it possible that black holes just keep gaining mass. Combining together over billions of years until another big bang occurs? Why can there only have been one big bang? Perhaps space and time are infinite. No beginning or end?


I would say the "Bang" is the beginning of time as we are able to perceive it. I have best heard it described like this, you are standing at the north pole and want to continue further north, where do you go? You obviously cant go anywhere and be further north than you already are. It is the same with the Bang.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKnpPCQyUec

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If the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? What is on the other side of the expansion? It can’t be nothing since nothing would still be something. It can’t be all black or dark since dark is still something. One conclusion may be that space is infinity but that is also mind boggling that it never ends. Maybe this is where a God comes into the overall picture.

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Originally Posted by loosegoose
One of the basic precepts of biology is that life does not arise from non-life. To believe in anything other than creation by a supreme being, you must essentially believe that a rock turned into a human, through a number of complex processes.

Matter does not arise from nothing. Where did the rock come from? The Creator- Jesus Christ.

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Originally Posted by Rubee

Matter does not arise from nothing. Where did the rock come from? The Creator- Jesus Christ.


If what you are saying is true I dont have to point out the obvious implications do I?

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