Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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Matter does not arise from nothing. Where did the rock come from? The Creator- Jesus Christ.
If what you are saying is true I dont have to point out the obvious implications do I? By faith I believe God is eternal without beginning or end. Always was and always will be. Genesis1:1 “in the beginning God created the heaven and earth” John1:3 “All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.”
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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If the universe is expanding, what is it expanding into? Hard to get ones head around, isn't it! The Bible in many places says God stretched/stretches out the heavens. Science agrees the heavens are indeed expanding. The Bible says God created the heavens and the earth from nothing. The BB theory is remarkably close to that. The Bible isn't at odds with science, science is catching up.
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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I'm surprised to hear that Jesus Christ was the creator. Thought it was his dad.
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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John 1:1-3 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through him, and without him was not any thing made that was made.
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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The Big Bang created space, matter, and time in our universe.
There are millions of other earth-like worlds in our galaxy. Assuming a lot of them have life, there should be many where life is more advanced than we are, technologically. Which brings up the question:
WHERE IS EVERYBODY?
Why isn't the earth being visited by extraterrestrials? There should be hundreds of advanced civilizations visiting earth.
It seems that either something is wrong with one of our assumptions, or there is a big piece missing from the picture.
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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The Big Bang created space, matter, and time in our universe.
There are millions of other earth-like worlds in our galaxy. Assuming a lot of them have life, there should be many where life is more advanced than we are, technologically. Which brings up the question:
WHERE IS EVERYBODY?
Why isn't the earth being visited by extraterrestrials? There should be hundreds of advanced civilizations visiting earth.
It seems that either something is wrong with one of our assumptions, or there is a big piece missing from the picture.
Jim You are assuming a linear projection of technology that would make it possible for highly evolved beings to travel long distances through space. In the 3.5 billion years of life on Earth we have one species that can just barely project itself into space. Our space going capabilities to my knowledge have not advanced all that much since 1970, we may have seen what an organic being is capable of already.
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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The Big Bang created space, matter, and time in our universe.
There are millions of other earth-like worlds in our galaxy. Assuming a lot of them have life, there should be many where life is more advanced than we are, technologically. Which brings up the question:
WHERE IS EVERYBODY?
Why isn't the earth being visited by extraterrestrials? There should be hundreds of advanced civilizations visiting earth.
It seems that either something is wrong with one of our assumptions, or there is a big piece missing from the picture.
Jim you're assuming they'd WANT to visit us. my personal theory is that the earth became the insane asylum of the universe after The Fall. (everybody shipped their nut cases here.) only explanation that makes sense, based on empirical evidence.
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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As I said before as well, almost as soon as conditions allowed life sprang up on Earth but it took another 3.5 Billion years for multi celled complex life to evolve, it could be there is alot of life out there but not much complex life, at least within our current observational abilities. Yes, but there are earth like worlds out there that are billions of years older than the earth, where life is probably billions of years older--giving rise to multicellular life and intelligent life earlier than our planet. WHERE ARE THEY? Jim
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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Something happened at Roswell. Other very possible maybes that we have been visited. We humans still like to kill each other, steal from each other, use each other for personal gain. IF there are intelligent creatures capable of interstellar travel maybe they figure we are best left to our own devices. Maybe a planet of interstellar travelers that are planetary predators just havnt found us yet. Maybe interstellar travel is impossible.
Maybe we are alone. That seems unlikely to me.
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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As I said before as well, almost as soon as conditions allowed life sprang up on Earth but it took another 3.5 Billion years for multi celled complex life to evolve, it could be there is alot of life out there but not much complex life, at least within our current observational abilities. Yes, but there are earth like worlds out there that are billions of years older than the earth, where life is probably billions of years older--giving rise to multicellular life and intelligent life earlier than our planet. WHERE ARE THEY? Jim
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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The Big Bang created space, matter, and time in our universe.
There are millions of other earth-like worlds in our galaxy. Assuming a lot of them have life, there should be many where life is more advanced than we are, technologically. Which brings up the question:
WHERE IS EVERYBODY?
Why isn't the earth being visited by extraterrestrials? There should be hundreds of advanced civilizations visiting earth.
It seems that either something is wrong with one of our assumptions, or there is a big piece missing from the picture.
Jim You are assuming a linear projection of technology that would make it possible for highly evolved beings to travel long distances through space. In the 3.5 billion years of life on Earth we have one species that can just barely project itself into space. Our space going capabilities to my knowledge have not advanced all that much since 1970, we may have seen what an organic being is capable of already. You don't have to assume a strictly linear projection of technological advance; so long as there is any advance in technology, they would likely develop the means to traverse interstellar space not too long after reaching our own stage of development. SO WHERE ARE THEY? Jim
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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As I said before as well, almost as soon as conditions allowed life sprang up on Earth but it took another 3.5 Billion years for multi celled complex life to evolve, it could be there is alot of life out there but not much complex life, at least within our current observational abilities. Yes, but there are earth like worlds out there that are billions of years older than the earth, where life is probably billions of years older--giving rise to multicellular life and intelligent life earlier than our planet. WHERE ARE THEY? Jim The closest Earth like planet is 4.2 light years away. Nothing biological that we can even imagine can survive a 4.2 light year journey through space, that is assuming the closest Earth like planet has life. The distances are massive and we only have 1 habitable planet in our solar system, if a intelligent being was out colonizing and exploring they would likely start in areas with multiple planets that could contain life close together. It seems to me we have hit a technological wall on space exploration, the Saturn V was supposed to be Mars capable and that was in the 70s, we may be coming up against the limits of space exploration. EDIT- Using the fastest rocket we have now it would take 50,000 years to get to the closest Earth like Planet.
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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We can envision ways to travel the distance to other star systems, even if we accept light speed as the cosmic speed limit. If mankind really put its collective talents and resources together, we probably have the capability to develop a multi-generational starship.
We certainly could send robot probes to the nearer stars. But unlike the ancient Egyptians, we aren't good at projects that take multiple generations to complete.
A civilization that is a billion years older...should have plenty of time to send at least a probe.
SO WHERE ARE THEY?
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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I am starting to feel like I am being interrogated lol. I have no idea where life could be out in space or why we have not seen evidence of it, it is fun to theorize but that is all we can do. Maybe by the time we have the capability to travel over long distances in space we will have run out of the resources to do it, maybe that is a common theme. There is very little collective desire to spend the money and resources it would take to do extensive space exploration, maybe that is also a common theme.
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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what makes you so sure they havnt been here?
where does the billion years older come from?
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Miller-Urey experiment
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so long as there is any advance in technology, they would likely develop the means to traverse interstellar space not too long after reaching our own stage of development.
Jim that's a MIGHTY big leap, James! what evidence do you base that assumption on???
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We can envision ways to travel the distance to other star systems, even if we accept light speed as the cosmic speed limit. If mankind really put its collective talents and resources together, we probably have the capability to develop a multi-generational starship.
We certainly could send robot probes to the nearer stars. But unlike the ancient Egyptians, we aren't good at projects that take multiple generations to complete.
A civilization that is a billion years older...should have plenty of time to send at least a probe.
SO WHERE ARE THEY?
Jim Look at how long it has taken the lifeforms on Earth to reach the stage which humans occupy currently. Now think about if we were to encounter a planet crippler the likes of which wiped out nearly every life form when dinosaurs roamed the earth. Do you think that that we would survive that, given that we are essentially naked apes? The other planets in the universe surely suffer similar setbacks over time. These setbacks thwart the progress of developing space travel throughout the universe. To be successful in space travel, it would be necessary to discover a way to manipulate time space. Time space is bent by anything which has mass. If enough mass can be created, time space can theoretically be folded in half. This will result in instantaneous space travel. You would then need to figure out how to do this without destroying a galaxy or two in the process. THAT'S WHERE THEY ARE.
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