Getting back to the original question James asked “where are they?” Is the speed of light the fastest possible that interspace travel can exist thus making it impossible for other advanced civilizations to get here yet? Or are we the only ones by some great design? If other intelligent life exists on other planets, did Jesus also die on the cross on those planets for those beings to “be saved.” If not, then why not?

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if there really are original manuscripts where are they? If the Vatican had them they would not keep that a secret. What you are studying today is at least 200 years newer than the events they claim to describe

It's not like the Gospels record eye-witness accounts. At best, those men who wrote the Gospels talked to the great-great-grandchildren of the actual witnesses (alleged) to the resurrection.

Jim

Good question and trust me when I say there has been untold theological scrutiny on all this. Possibly unlike anything ever, because if Paul can be discredited, the Bible may begin to unravel, true? Early 1st century first hand accounts from other Apostles giving accounts, give credit to Paul as author (not a scribe). These men were spot accurate. If you read any of Paul's letters, you see scores of people he is with, come to see him, and on and on, so there are many first hand accounts of what Paul is doing. And these accounts would of course get passed around. Do you think if there was "bad" news... fraudulent, fake, not true.... it mighta got around? Bad news travels faster than good news true? There was no bad news about Paul. Now, whether you believed his teachings is one thing, but his authenticity is not questioned until 1600 years later. Early church fathers, investigated all this also within 100 years of Paul's life.

It's interesting that not until the 18th century, is Paul's authenticity questioned. What happened in the 1700's and 1800's in the European and Western world at that time? Ahhhh. The rise of the enlightened man. The literal beginnings of the saying, "know it alls." There were university trained scholars now who could claim enough educational prowess to "know it all" or at least all there was to know in a rational term.

The single largest "clue" that Paul wrote is probably his consistent personal verbal writing style in the Koine Greek language of that day. I'm studying Greek right now and John is the easiest because he wrote kinda plain and straight forward. Not a lot of flare. Luke is neck deep verbal formation and that makes sense... the guy was a physician and wrote a certain way. Paul was a very learned man. He wrote a certain way. We all do. So the religious of that day would compare his style of writing to others they knew to be authentic, as a verification process. Didn't want heresy in the homes of the early believers!

Paul was a religious leader also, meaning his Hebrew training would have meant he would have had Hebrew scripture memorized. He also had Roman citizenry due to birthright so he could come and go in the world's largest empire as he wished. He would have been fluent in Latin, Hebrew, and Koine Greek, the latter being the language of the commerce of that day.

Polycarp, and many early church fathers lived during that time and others lived 1 or 2 generations out from the Apostle Paul, and they weeded with great care through the heretical imposters and their writings of the 1st century.

Oh and as far as the guards, even some of the best of the best, the Imperial guards converted when Paul got done with them.

Hope this helps.

Fossils only proved things once living are dead. No proof of a change of one species to another.

Life is undeniable proof of a life giver.

Man can't create life.

Proving life, let alone complex, intelligent life, couldn't happen by happenstance.

Other worlds may have their own Jesus. The Bible doesn't say it covers other worlds than the earth. Why would God create an intelligent species and deny them a chance to be saved?

Suppose God made intelligent life on another world. Those sapient beings would be bound to disappoint God there too, and in His rage and disappointment, He might have drowned or found other ways to nearly exterminate them.

Then, when the survivors of the Great Disaster still disappoint the God who made them (i.e., they "sinned"), He might have divided Himself into three parts, and sent one of his parts, the Son, to the world to be born a sentient being, and to suffer and die on something like a cross. God's plan being that the Son's torture and death would save everyone who believed in the Son's resurrection. What they needed to be saved from being, once again, God's wrath and disappointment.

So yeah, it's entirely possible aliens have their own religion and Jesus stories.

Jim

Fossil study is only one branch of science that confirms evolution theory. DNA makes the case a cinch.


Jim

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%e2%80%93Urey_experiment

this was what i posted about originally amspoker. its not life but the precursor is there. it certainly does not point away from abiogenesis

He didn't.

Danny Clifton -

I am still praying for you. I continue to admire your hunger for the truth.

thankyou treedablackdog. I enjoy conversation like this where folks dont get mean to each other

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James, not sure where you're pulling this internet information from, but the gospel accounts of Matthew, Mark, and Luke were obtained within 60-65 years of the ascension. John's a few years after that. Paul and Peter are martyred together in the 60AD's so they're still alive about 30 years after the resurrection. So it's pretty tightly wound.

As an analogy, my grandpa could tell me what he saw as a young man in 1928 (he was 18) when I was 25 in 1982. 54 years later. My grandpa told me plenty of stories from 50 years earlier. His mind was sharp. And Paul had the Holy Spirit working on his team. Not sure about gramps.
Plus, remember, the crowd in that day was not friendly to early believers and many (Jews and Gentiles alike) wanted no part of them. But still the story remained. That may speak loudly.

I love the story of Lee Strobl, Yale trained attorney, Chicago Tribune investigative reporter, who in the late 1970's went on a big time worldwide mission to disprove all of this magic talk. And his newspaper underwrote it. All a hoax, he as an atheist said. His wife had recently converted and he was _____ that she had fallen for a stupid cult.

When Mr. Strobl finished his investigation, he found the evidence was overwhelmingly concrete, and he converted, went to seminary and today pastors in Texas.
The movie about Lee Strobl is called "The Case for Christ." It's a good one.

danny is fun people. Truly. We'd drink a brewski together and have grand ol time figuring all this worldly stuff out. Besides, are any trappers not cool people?

..... and danny always takes a shot at the net! Love it!

Now James, as a typical attorney, highly trained in the arts, many times he just keeps skating, keeps skating, keeps skating. No shot.
Then as you take a shot at his goalie...

He moves the goal on ya.

Its all mathematics-specifically set theory.

It seems with religion as with other unknowns, a question leads to another question. If aliens have their own religion and God, do those beings have a separate type of heaven or do they go to the same heaven as earth people. If the formal, would there be competing Gods? If the latter, I would assume once again God would had to go through the same thing on their planet as he did here on earth to die for their sins.

Dirt holes or flat sets. Or are we talking poop sets?

Zoom in to the mandelbrot set.It's infinite.