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Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: danny clifton] #6780879
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It should be easy to answer then. Care to take a crack at it?

Jim


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"And that troll bs is something triggered snowflakes say when they dont like what someone posts." - Boco
Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: James] #6780881
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Originally Posted by James
It should be easy to answer then. Care to take a crack at it?

Jim


the cheaper surgeon gets the job.

Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: danny clifton] #6780884
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white marlin, like they say on family feud, "good answer". Made me grin anyway


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Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: James] #6780887
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Originally Posted by James
"Christianity is working alongside researchers but Darwinism is being debunked more and more as the decades go by." Mark June

That statement is false on both fronts. Christianity is working with no researchers.

It's true to say that some Christians are financially supporting some "scientists" who purport to do legitimate research. Do you recall when tobacco companies used the same strategy to argue cigarets are safe?

Darwinism is being debunked? That's completely false. Darwinism is being confirmed every day by DNA and medical research. Darwinism has withstood 150 years of every sort of science- and faith-based attack that could be imagined in that time.

Darwinism is confirmed by numerous branches of science: DNA, morphology, carbon-dating, radioactive dating, biology--now there's a science that's founded entirely on Darwin's theory!

You must be intelligent enough to tell the difference between science and pseudoscience. Give me an honest answer to one question, please:

Let's say you need heart surgery, and you have two surgeons to pick from. In every respect their qualifications and experience appear to be equal. There's only one difference: One surgeon believes in Darwinist evolution, and the other does not.

Which heart surgeon would you choose?

Jim

P.S. - Taking bets on whether he'll give me a straight answer.


I'll give you my opinion which would equate to my answer here in a sec and I hope you can see via an email formatting that my intentions aren't to discredit Darwin. I never knew the guy. But James, you can't talk me out of my graduate level work alongside Dr. Eugene Studier (bat guy), Dr. Pace (invertebrates) and many others. Some of the work was amazing and some had social implications as the basis. Honest. And what place does social engineering have in a biology lab? That was my question. I almost didn't graduate because of my "rogue" attitude. But, it was my trapping background. I knew the outdoors. These bookworms didn't and yet they made claims as if they did. Now that's a simplification, but it soured me early on. I mean our department in Ann Arbor, with a large contingency of Asian scholars were in the thick and thin of climatology with global cooling as the mantra. You remember right? I wasn't in those departments but I drank brews with some who were and they were too often starting with the supposition and concluding based on that? Backwards! But they were confident no one would call them out because they worked in a tight group who protected their own. Anyone see any of that going on anywhere else where money, prestige and name, and power, and super clubs are the norm?

But there are also MANY good researchers. Many! I knew some good ones. Really good ones. How often are they told to go along or go away = money talks with research grants and it you want to research you need money, right? I did research with others for 5 years so I know the pressure of $$$$.

I feel I'm slipping into a legalize coma and you've got me in a canoe and you have the paddle and ask me, "Where would you like to go?" James, but that's OK. I like AK.

A. You're inaccurate about how you're reading my Man posts. You also are starting with a supposition. I would never take the time to write all this if I was going to be the Christian voice in the apologetic. I'd just say, "I believe" and I do. But I've given much in data and you don't read it for face value. I'd dismiss you from the jury for prejudice.


As an example, I just have you a clip of researchers and links to those who are working on research. I didn't say they work in the same office.
I can safely bet you don't read the spirit of my writings. Did you look at the links? Read my submissions? Because you claim Christianity is working with no researchers. When Dr. G presents at an academy of Science symposia, I call that "working with." Many researchers don't like each other so they don't have to be buds. Much competition for fame and fortune in any human endeavor. That's not unique.

Your last question to me is easy. I spent 29 years in the major Pharma industry alongside medical professionals and personnel of all stripes.
I'd pick the doc NOT WITH THE BIGGEST NAME but with the highest survival rates and lowest complication rates.
I wouldn't look at his or her Darwinism or faith educations.
But I would ask to pray with him or her, before they cut me stem to stearn.

That's another honest answer for my legal friend.

Blessings,
Mark

Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: white marlin] #6780896
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by James
It should be easy to answer then. Care to take a crack at it?

Jim


the cheaper surgeon gets the job.



grin


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Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: danny clifton] #6780897
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All this sparring, and all this strife.

Trying to figure out the the answers to life.

Truth is, you guys can't even figure out your wife!...Lol grin


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Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: danny clifton] #6780902
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Your answer evades my question by ignoring one of the conditions: I said, " In every respect their qualifications and experience appear to be equal." So their survival and complications rates are the same too.

Looks like I'd have won my bet, if I'd gotten any takers. lol

It's been fun, and I appreciate the civility. But I have a project due for my own MFA tomorrow. So it's back to work for me.

Jim


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Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: ky_coyote_hunter] #6780906
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Originally Posted by ky_coyote_hunter
All this sparring, and all this strife.

Trying to figure out the the answers to life.

Truth is, you guys can't even figure out your wife!...Lol grin


Now those 10 last words are infinitely accurate.

I'm just sick and holed up and James likes to spar. We like each other. We're trappers. All trappers are buds!

Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: James] #6780908
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Originally Posted by James
Your answer evades my question by ignoring one of the conditions: I said, " In every respect their qualifications and experience appear to be equal." So their survival and complications rates are the same too.

Looks like I'd have won my bet, if I'd gotten any takers. lol

It's been fun, and I appreciate the civility. But I have a project due for my own MFA tomorrow. So it's back to work for me.

Jim


You win. I lose.

Good luck on your project James.

Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: James] #6780914
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Originally Posted by James
Your answer evades my question by ignoring one of the conditions: I said, " In every respect their qualifications and experience appear to be equal." So their survival and complications rates are the same too.

Looks like I'd have won my bet, if I'd gotten any takers. lol

Jim


once again, James ignores my answer. (you said not ONE iota regarding fees!)

in any event: make your point, Counsellor...we're all awaiting your earthly "wisdom".

Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: danny clifton] #6780918
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I shoulda been allowed to "phone a friend!!!!"

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So that berger guy is a crook,so you equate that to all paleoanthropologists?
Then according to you I can equate you with Jim Jones.
Sorry,I aint drinkin the kool aide,lol.

Last edited by Boco; 02/23/20 09:51 PM.

Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Bad analogy.

When a major anthropological discovery previously listed as a missing link in the grand evolutionary graph is called out = that's news worthy.
These things make policy Boco. Yours. Mine. My kiddos and grandkiddos.


Cults of the 19th-21st centuries aren't news worthy.
Just guys making Gods of themselves for more sex or more recognition or both.
They these things don't end up making policy for all.
They're just a cult.

Civics 103 & 104

Re: Miller-Urey experiment [Re: white marlin] #6780972
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by James
It should be easy to answer then. Care to take a crack at it?

Jim


the cheaper surgeon gets the job.

Winner winner chicken dinner. laugh


James 1: 19-20
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White Marlin is wise beyond his years.

May his tribe increase.

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Piltdown man was also a hoax but was proven as such and had no effect on the study of hominid evolution at all.As a matter of fact it was easily seen from the fossil records that kept turning up that it did not follow the progression of hominid evolution.
But ole jim was responsible for what?900 or so dead brainwashed followers?Yea maybe not a very good analogy.
Fake religion is much more dangerous than fake science.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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You are correct.

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Darn tootin.


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Sorry to hear about your flatulence.

May it fill the air with the sweet aroma from your childhood whistle

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"After 50 years of ministry, ICR remains a leader in scientific research within the context of biblical creation."

I'm sure there is no bias in their research. Or could there be?


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