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Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: danny clifton] #6784606
02/27/20 07:17 AM
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Flap your lips all you want. Wolves didnt stay in Yellowstone. And absolutely yes there are still people who depend on hunting for food. Their are also guides losing income from hunters over them.

What is best for the environment Dirtyd? You one of those who believes humans are an invasive species? Plenty of places in the world where wolves belong. An island as crowded as Briton is not one. If they can't control deer how will they control wolves? There are now mink in England that have put some kind of water rat on the brink of extinction. The mink were from fur farms originally.

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/enjo...ildlife/the-rogues-gallery/american-mink

Do you really think reintroduction of wolves will end well there?


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Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: danny clifton] #6784778
02/27/20 10:17 AM
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What is best for the environment is strong hunter numbers, hunting funds conservation. The studies showing wolves "fixed" yellowstone are disputed. We can't go back to the way things were pre Europeans,, farming,ranching, invasive flora and fauna and human development have fundemently changed the landscape and the reintroduction of large predators makes no sense, especially in areas that rely on game and ranching for their economy.

Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: danny clifton] #6784877
02/27/20 11:38 AM
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These new conservationists have proven time and time again they cant see past there nose NO biological science no impact studies just money coming in from people trying to get on the ecological bandwagon AS they have proven with Gov. hunters and sponsored eradication policys No problem with killing just want to micro- manage Keeps the money flowing something they cant do with Hunters and Trappers


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Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: danny clifton] #6784942
02/27/20 12:37 PM
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They have had quite a bit of success recovering species that were scarce over there and now are healthy or on the way there.European beavers,otters and marten are just a few.
Wolves in the remote mountains in Scotland to balance the deer would be beneficial. They would also balance the recently introduced beavers also.Too many sheep over there too,crapping all over the place.


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Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: Boco] #6784984
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Originally Posted by Boco
They have had quite a bit of success recovering species that were scarce over there and now are healthy or on the way there.European beavers,otters and marten are just a few.


Polecats as well. Funny how no body ever mentions the polecats. I mean; The press. Government. Anybody, really. Yet, I knew a guy, forty odd years ago, was getting brit govt funding to breed polecats for release.

Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: danny clifton] #6785000
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There is nothing wrong with introducing native predators back into suitable habitat. The problem comes from lack of ability to properly manage them. People try to protect the individual animal and end up harming the species as a whole.


Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: danny clifton] #6785005
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Correct-there has to be a management plan to go along with it.


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Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: danny clifton] #6785327
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I can see the lynx . But introducing wolves to a semi urban area like all of England is as compared to wolf contry wont end well . I will never be for the reintroduction of anything that will predate humans . Humans are the ultimate apex predator we are perfectly capable of keeping the deer population in check if allowed to . My household harvested 7 deer this year we are almost out of deer meat . The reason we only harvested 7 is thats about how many we could process in our 10 day rifle season and i was tagged out with three we still have more than enough deer on our farm . If an area makes enough opportunities for humans to harvest large game we will control the population . There is more than one reson that virtually everywhere humans have shared territory with wolves we have attempted to exterminate them

Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: danny clifton] #6785392
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Wolves in Scotland would be great.

Re: wolf and lynx in England [Re: danny clifton] #6785402
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Just out of curiosity, is there anywhere that deer are way overpopulated on public hunting land in the U.S? Central Park and private land owners may have overpopulated herds of deer but I have yet to see anywhere open to public hunting be overpopulated.

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