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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790303
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how about knee , hip , shoulder surgeries , joints you just wore out?


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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790306
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Yep lots of people get those surgeries here.
From what I understand it is better to wait longer for hip surgery because after 15 years it has to be re done.If you get one too young,after a couple it is not as sucessful.
I have dealt with the healthcare systems in two other countries and Canada is by far the best of those.
The USA has some top notch healthcare facilities and universities but because they are not available or affordable for most people,that is the reason the life expectancy in the states lags behind other countries like Canada.

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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790310
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WE have great coverage here,but the wait at emergency is often very long. As stated its free (but in reality we pay for it with taxes.)Unfortunately I guess I will have to move to Manitoba or James Bay Frontier where the taxes are a lot LESS than I pay??

Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790314
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Not much of a wait time at the emergency here,the doctors live near the hospital.A Nurse practitioner on duty will see you right away and make the call whether you see the doc right away or come back in the morning if your not bleeding to death.
Some people abuse the system because its free,and show up at emerg for a little bo-bo.Those are the ones that have to wait and rightfully so.

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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790320
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Pete , You have to take your turn, depending on how bad your joint is. There will usually be a wait time. But it is covered under our health care system. Therapy after surgery, is covered. Home visits by nurse , until you are able to travel, to therapy. I have absolutely no complaints about how I was treated during and after surgery's. old 243

Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790321
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Our doctors here support the fur industry also,one is an avid outdoorsman.He owns his own helicopter and has another practice in Montreal.When he goes out another doctor comes in.We have 3 doctors here in town.One also plays hockey in the mens league.Great bunch of guys.

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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790380
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Since the doctors make considerably less income under socialized medicine, I have no doubt that many of the people, who would be the best doctors, go find a more lucrative career doing something else.

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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790396
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I have waited here a long time , in emergency room , with my mom just on jan. 2, 8 hour an never did see a real doctor , ended up driving her 21/2 hours to green bay wis. the next day , she woke up 4 days later , an we have a bill , just saying ours ant the best

Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790399
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If you are considering voting for Bernie, you do need a dr.

Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790407
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no not voting for Bernie , just saying our , that all our doctors ant the best [ what do you call a doctor that graduates with a D average a doctor, think about it ]

Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790416
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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790424
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If government health is so good why do we not have it for all insurance? Local emergency only runs during daylight hours due to staff shortages. Wait 2 months for family doctor. How much of the budget goes to health care. It is provincial, not federal, so you need to buy insureance to cross provincial boundaries. Supposed to be a free system, so the only way to control costs is by restricting care. They need at the minimum a 100 dollar per visit charge. To many doctors are being used because somebody is lonesome. Should send them thru an airport inspection for a rubdown and they would not need to go to doctor

Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: white17] #6790444
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Yes very true .. if you have money you go to the states ,our health care system is good for the middle and lower class but if your rich and can pay for
Then your better off in the US , I believe cancer treatments our more advanced in the US .. i know lots of folks the even go to Europe because the technology is somewhat behind in canada

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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790448
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Just the extra gas tax on top of high income tax is enough for me to know we don't want that here.

If we could lower our military spending we'd be better off.

Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790477
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I have two business partners one is from AB and one from BC who live here now. They are extremely happy with our medical system and all other systems for that matter.
Many people in America pay very little, far less than Canadians, it's called perks of the job. Employers all across the country offered it as a perk for good employees from top executives down to tradesman and everyone in between. Offering It also had tax advantages to those businesses but of course those advantages were taken away by the same wealthy politicians who now want to run it all.
People also had the option here of joining large pools of people for reduced rates, politicians have taken that as well. Ocare a socialist concept drove the nails in much of the coffin.
Same politicians who take great amounts of money from big pharmacy while complaining about rates want to run this system?
Same politicians who take great amounts of money from legal entities who sue for personal gain and drive your insurance costs up want to run this health system?
Yeah, I trust those know nothings.
There are still very affordable options in America for healthcare including Medicare, Medicade, in MN Minncare and others.
If socialist medicine truly worked it would work to perfection in Canada which has a limited population, hard working people, and terrific natural resources as funding streams, it should be more than free for all there but it's not. Nothing is free, here nor there. At least here we still have some freedom to choose.
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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790521
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def appreciate the conversation we are having here. the fella i'm debating with is pro-Bernie all the way.....my comment to him during our debate

"jonathan,, thats exactly what bernie is banking on.....you guys have such a displeasure towards trump,,,,that you will vote for anyone running against him........make no mistake about it.......bernie is a communist ,,,plain and simple. don't like trump......ok.....just wait out the 4 years...at least your republic will still be intact......and you can vote in a decent minded democrat..but if bernie wins.........you can surrender your freedoms goodbye........history is calling to you to review it.......in no time ever has socilisim ever been of benefit to its citizens and eventually falls to full blown communism.......venzula is crumbling.......because they had promises exactly like bernie........i just hope biden gets the nomination for the democrats.......if he doesn't......then may god help us all.

he replied..

.Yall just love to cry out "Venezuela" while ignoring the positives of Norway, Finland, Iceland, Canada, New Zealand, and many others lmao.@#$%yeah, I'm going to vote for whoever it comes down to. Do I HOPE it's Bernie? Yes. Will I vote for Biden if it's him? Yes. Will Bernie get my Primary vote first though? Yep.

I'm a 27 year old non-straight, partially disabled Agnostic living in one of the reddest states in the country, working as a freelance transcriptionist without health insurance but with multiple severe medical conditions and over 150K in medical bills following a near fatal car crash 2 years ago. My parents are small business owners with medical conditions of their own. I most likely will not survive 4 more years of a Trump presidency at the rate things are going.


I could not fairly debate him as far as the healthcare system is in Canada because I didn't have first hand facts.......................I like to have the right information .......and thus the reason for my question to you guys.


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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: white17] #6790543
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Originally Posted by white17
Thanks Boco.
I seem to recall a time when your government "betters" as well as professional hockey players were coming to the US for medical care. Is that still the case ?


I personally know three people in Canada who, when the chips were down, came to the US for their procedure.
Also, good friends of mine were always complaining about the doc they had for their young son. One day I said "just go to a different doctor." They said, "Its not that simple, since he, the kid, has already seen a doctor, that's his doctor. He needs to go on a list to switch and it takes for ever."

I cant imagine being stuck with a dud doc for one of your kids and not being able to switch to who YOU want.

Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790583
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As long as your talking health care saw a program on TV where people in the U S were going to India for knee and hip replacement because of cheaper cost . It stated that the Doctor's were U S trained and the cost including rehab and plane tickets was less than half of cost of having it done here.

Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: Urbancoon] #6790589
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Originally Posted by Urbancoon
long waits in emergency--not uncommon to have to wait for 3-4 hours just to get looked at. .


same here, or longer

BUT, the 3 Canadians I work with did NOT like Canadian health care overall, said they usually had little to no choice what Dr to see.


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Re: canada guys,,,i have a question [Re: foxkidd44] #6790598
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Saw an article that by 2030 Ontario will spend 80% of total taxes on health care. The US already has socialized medicine with Medicare and Medicaid, how's that working?

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