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Thermal imaging rifle scope advice #6793858
03/06/20 07:24 PM
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I would love to put a thermal scope on my coyote rifle for night time hunting. I cannot bring myself to spend three grand on a rifle scope that has the potential for failure. What is the best scope for under 1500. Or should I just spring for a more expensive high-end thermal imaging scope. I know how electronics are in don't want a $3,000 scope that is worthless in 4 or 5 years

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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6793866
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Originally Posted by greenetrapper
I would love to put a thermal scope on my coyote rifle for night time hunting. I cannot bring myself to spend three grand on a rifle scope that has the potential for failure. What is the best scope for under 1500. Or should I just spring for a more expensive high-end thermal imaging scope. I know how electronics are in don't want a $3,000 scope that is worthless in 4 or 5 years


PULSAR


http://pulsar-nv.com/glo/products/33/thermal-imaging-scopes/

Last edited by walleyed; 03/06/20 07:49 PM.

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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6793869
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I know if I bought one the price would drop with in a week.


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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: Getting There] #6793877
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Originally Posted by Getting There
I know if I bought one the price would drop with in a week.


It's only money.

You will be needing one to fight off
the corona virus night zombies !!! laugh

Fore-armed is for-warned.

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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6793942
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It's a good idea to have night vision and thermal so you are not pointing your rifle at something you don't want to kill. The link below has useful information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqvDn9qHTDE

Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6794003
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If trying to stay cheap, why not try night vision?

Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: jtg] #6794004
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Originally Posted by jtg
It's a good idea to have night vision and thermal so you are not pointing your rifle at something you don't want to kill. The link below has useful information.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqvDn9qHTDE



This is true. I want a thermal hand held for scanning and night vision for shooting. If you have to constantly shoulder your rifle to look around you are muzzle sweeping everything. Your arms will get tired quickly also.

A hand held maked it much easier. Thermal makes spotting easy and fast. Nv will be easier to make clear identifying of the target easier. Thermal you see a k9 nv you see if it's a farmers pet or a coyote.

Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6794083
03/06/20 11:33 PM
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I have both and like night vision and on dark nights I use infrared to help the night vision.


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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6794096
03/06/20 11:56 PM
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Pony up.

Buy a $1500 thermal rig and you likely just blew $1500.

You definitely get what you pay for.

And this is coming from someone so tight he squeaks.

Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: Flipper 56] #6794177
03/07/20 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Flipper 56
I have both and like night vision and on dark nights I use infrared to help the night vision.

does the IR light go right on top of your scope or gun .

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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6794336
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I like the looks of the Thor4, 1800-3000$

Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: Boone Liane] #6794363
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This
Originally Posted by walleyed
Originally Posted by greenetrapper
I would love to put a thermal scope on my coyote rifle for night time hunting. I cannot bring myself to spend three grand on a rifle scope that has the potential for failure. What is the best scope for under 1500. Or should I just spring for a more expensive high-end thermal imaging scope. I know how electronics are in don't want a $3,000 scope that is worthless in 4 or 5 years


PULSAR


http://pulsar-nv.com/glo/products/33/thermal-imaging-scopes/


and this
Originally Posted by Boone Liane
Pony up.

Buy a $1500 thermal rig and you likely just blew $1500.

You definitely get what you pay for.

And this is coming from someone so tight he squeaks.


I use a Flir PTS233 as my hand held spotter and as a back up rifle scope, which is what it was designed for. It is not as ergonomic as a dedicated spotter but I have not felt handicapped by that. I use a Pulsar Xq38 as my primary gun sight. You want a sight with some native magnification built in because when you start using the multiplier in the sight you lose resolution by the factor that you multiply by. My XQ has a native resolution of 2.1x, I can bump it up to 3x and still have good enough resolution to engage targets at 200 yards with some confidence. My flir has a native of 1.5 and is harder to use once you use the multiplier. If I had a do over I would have bought two XQ38's. I am not knocking the Flir it is bright and very clear, it just doesn't have the magnification that I want.These have been my observations and experiences.

I don't like to spend my money either, but I really don't like to spend it twice.


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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6794364
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Don't leave batteries in it when not in use. You don't want a $1.50 batterie to ruin a $3000.00 piece of gear.


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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6794483
03/07/20 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by greenetrapper
Originally Posted by Flipper 56
I have both and like night vision and on dark nights I use infrared to help the night vision.

does the IR light go right on top of your scope or gun .

It is best out on the muzzle end of the rail.


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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: Tactical.20] #6794503
03/07/20 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Tactical.20
I like the looks of the Thor4, 1800-3000$


I have the THOR-HD 640x480 2.5-25 and it works well. But I have a 6x Gen4 night vision scope that you can see individual bean pods on soybeans at 100 yards. No question about your target then. I use a pair of Gen 3+ night vision goggles for scanning and they can be worn on headgear. You can add magnifiers that screw on the front too, I use a 3x. With either thermal or night vision you need to be up on the scope so I like the AR platform with an adjustable stock so you can shorten it way up. I tried my thermal on a savage rifle that has spacers in the stock and was able to get it short enough but it seems more awkward when I put a suppressor on it.

Had a friend that had a wicked hunting light and he bought an infrared bulb for it and uses it with the ATN X-Sight 4K Pro 5-20x Smart HD Day & Night and it works well. But the night vision is worhtless without the strong infrared but that scope was 700 something.


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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: Boy Named Sue] #6794512
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Pay attention to this great advice. I just did this to an EcoTech. I did not ruin it but had to replace parts.





Originally Posted by Boy Named Sue
Don't leave batteries in it when not in use. You don't want a $1.50 batterie to ruin a $3000.00 piece of gear.

Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: Flipper 56] #6794513
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That's the way to do it.



Originally Posted by Flipper 56
Originally Posted by Tactical.20
I like the looks of the Thor4, 1800-3000$


I have the THOR-HD 640x480 2.5-25 and it works well. But I have a 6x Gen4 night vision scope that you can see individual bean pods on soybeans at 100 yards. No question about your target then. I use a pair of Gen 3+ night vision goggles for scanning and they can be worn on headgear. You can add magnifiers that screw on the front too, I use a 3x. With either thermal or night vision you need to be up on the scope so I like the AR platform with an adjustable stock so you can shorten it way up. I tried my thermal on a savage rifle that has spacers in the stock and was able to get it short enough but it seems more awkward when I put a suppressor on it.

Had a friend that had a wicked hunting light and he bought an infrared bulb for it and uses it with the ATN X-Sight 4K Pro 5-20x Smart HD Day & Night and it works well. But the night vision is worhtless without the strong infrared but that scope was 700 something.

Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6794528
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I have been thinking about getting a helmet mounted NV monocular for navigation. Any advice or experience to share on that?


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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: greenetrapper] #6794538
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Flipper, I had the same experience with a Savage rifle. I was having reliability issues with my 308 AR hog gun after I suppressed it, so I bought the Savage as a get me buy. Ar is good now Savage is for sale. grin


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Re: Thermal imaging rifle scope advice [Re: Boy Named Sue] #6794544
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Originally Posted by Boy Named Sue
I have been thinking about getting a helmet mounted NV monocular for navigation. Any advice or experience to share on that?


These are what I have in the HP+ works for 40 plus hours on 2 double a batteries and has a 10 year warranty, comes with headgear and can be helmet mounted. You could drive to town without your headlights on with these.

https://www.nvdevices.com/products/night-vision/goggles/pvs-7-night-vision-goggles/


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